Covid: Personal views

could do a quiz show.

Fact or Conspiracy....
It'd just end up run by the jews and illuminati to cover up their evil deeds ;-)
One reason I find it hard to buy into the world domination ones are that the human life is too short. We basically spend 80 years here, the first 20 arsing about, and the last 20 sleeping and dribbling. That only leaves 40 years tops to become part of / perpetuate the new world order, when the most you can really achieve is paying off the mortgage. I can see why Hitler got impatient.
 
Personal views

NB
: me nonmedical, but Mrs JASR is. Virus is not her speciality, but she belongs to a support network of many thousands that includes immunologists, viroligists, epidemilogists, so is well informed and read. You may win an arguement with Mrs JASR, but you better not be bullshitting, as she'll destroy you with facts once she's had a chance to research!

Pandemic planning:
Mrs JASR started prepping for this back in January, as it became clear that without a large lockdown the virus had 'escaped' from one area and was particularly virulent. She decided to tell the JASR extended family in Febuary, including disbelieving close old relatives far away, which were told (in person) in strong terms not to take it lightly and that it would be the last time she'd see them for awhile...
Point taken: It's not 'flu', Don't dick about with how serious it is.

UK Govt response:
With hindsight, should have locked down back at the start of Feb (closed borders, testing at borders for essential people, track and trace in place, masks from day 1, washing, social distancing etc) - But that clearly wasn't going to happen, nobody could be expected to make that decision (as it was so unbelievable), to effectively cut the UK off from the rest of the world, when the number of UK cases was in the 10's.
Point taken: Too little, too late, but generally understandable (other than not stopping things like Cheltenham, Athletico etc).

Masks (effectiveness):
Generally the effectiveness data is weak, but the premise of protecting others, not yourself, by wearing a mask, is clear. (cf why do surgeons wear masks when performing Ops...?)
Point taken: Every little helps

Masks (usage):
There are very few medical reasons why an individual can't wear a mask (Maybe the lack of ears?).
Surgeons wear them for very long operations (18hrs+) at a time.
My 1st world problem, it can steam up your glasses.
Point taken: Wear a bloody mask, and if you can't you better have one of the very rare conditions that means you can't, else IMHO you are self absorbed and uncaring of others.

Medical views:
I think I'd tend to follow the advice about the virus from immunologists, viroligists, epidemilogists rather than some of the more vocal oncologists, orthopeadics etc. or nonMedical people in general.
Also Mrs JASR hasn't said anything contrary to general advice given (after lockdown happened).
Point taken: Not all medical experts are experts in fields that are not their speciality.

People:
Point taken:
The world further moves to people being just labelled as 'this' or 'that' and the continuum between views is lost and dismissed. :-(
 
It'd just end up run by the jews and illuminati to cover up their evil deeds ;-)
One reason I find it hard to buy into the world domination ones are that the human life is too short. We basically spend 80 years here, the first 20 arsing about, and the last 20 sleeping and dribbling. That only leaves 40 years tops to become part of / perpetuate the new world order, when the most you can really achieve is paying off the mortgage. I can see why Hitler got impatient.

I concur.
 
Personal views

NB
: me nonmedical, but Mrs JASR is. Virus is not her speciality, but she belongs to a support network of many thousands that includes immunologists, viroligists, epidemilogists, so is well informed and read. You may win an arguement with Mrs JASR, but you better not be bullshitting, as she'll destroy you with facts once she's had a chance to research!

Pandemic planning:
Mrs JASR started prepping for this back in January, as it became clear that without a large lockdown the virus had 'escaped' from one area and was particularly virulent. She decided to tell the JASR extended family in Febuary, including disbelieving close old relatives far away, which were told (in person) in strong terms not to take it lightly and that it would be the last time she'd see them for awhile...
Point taken: It's not 'flu', Don't dick about with how serious it is.

UK Govt response:
With hindsight, should have locked down back at the start of Feb (closed borders, testing at borders for essential people, track and trace in place, masks from day 1, washing, social distancing etc) - But that clearly wasn't going to happen, nobody could be expected to make that decision (as it was so unbelievable), to effectively cut the UK off from the rest of the world, when the number of UK cases was in the 10's.
Point taken: Too little, too late, but generally understandable (other than not stopping things like Cheltenham, Athletico etc).

Masks (effectiveness):
Generally the effectiveness data is weak, but the premise of protecting others, not yourself, by wearing a mask, is clear. (cf why do surgeons wear masks when performing Ops...?)
Point taken: Every little helps

Masks (usage):
There are very few medical reasons why an individual can't wear a mask (Maybe the lack of ears?).
Surgeons wear them for very long operations (18hrs+) at a time.
My 1st world problem, it can steam up your glasses.
Point taken: Wear a bloody mask, and if you can't you better have one of the very rare conditions that means you can't, else IMHO you are self absorbed and uncaring of others.

Medical views:
I think I'd tend to follow the advice about the virus from immunologists, viroligists, epidemilogists rather than some of the more vocal oncologists, orthopeadics etc. or nonMedical people in general.
Also Mrs JASR hasn't said anything contrary to general advice given (after lockdown happened).
Point taken: Not all medical experts are experts in fields that are not their speciality.

People:
Point taken:
The world further moves to people being just labelled as 'this' or 'that' and the continuum between views is lost and dismissed. :-(

Fine post and that’s pretty much where I stand on CV19 at the moment.
In saying that this has affected people in varying ways. We currently have the perception that the virus is weakening quite drastically and at the same time people are losing their jobs or have the horrible situation of having to let their employees go...so I understand the anger.
It’s been a horrid, weird year.
 
I'm as much much of a Grassy Knollington as anyone but I think all the conspiracy theories are junk and do damage to the cause of investigating REAL conspiracies

I hated this knobhead anyway but .....
 
without vaccinations and some level of country-wide immunity, you cannot stop covid-19 from spreading and retain a functioning economy.
 
No. Nobody has ever said the flu vaccine will stop you getting flu. But it might help against some strains

Nobody??

You May Be Better Off Without a Flu Shot
Flu shots have raised similar alarms in young children. In the 2011 flu season, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed 42 cases of seizures, 36 of them involving infants and 10 of them deemed "serious," after vaccination with Fluzone, a vaccine made by Sanofi-Pasteur.
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Lawrence Solomon, Contributor
Columnist
02/06/2014 12:05pm EST | Updated April 8, 2014
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"Doesn't matter. If it saves one life it is worth it. No down side to getting flu shot," Dr. Andy Baldwin tweeted me last week after I wrote that flu deaths were wildly exaggerated in my recent column, "Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths."

Dr. Baldwin, a popular California physician and media personality, is among the numerous physicians who consider flu shots a no-brainer, seemingly unaware of the authoritative studies - and injured men, women and children -- showing the flu shot's downsides to be all too real.

In Australia and New Zealand, two vaccines produced by CSL Biotherapies, one of the world's largest influenza vaccine manufacturers, led in 2010 to some 1,700 alarming results -- febrile convulsions, high fevers, and vomiting -- most of them involving small children. The harm was especially borne by those under three years of age - CSL's Fluvax Junior vaccine sent 4 per cent of these infants into febrile convulsions, its Fluvax vaccine 5 per cent. During a febrile convulsion a child often loses consciousness and shakes, generally for a minute or two, sometimes for 15 minutes or more. Because the flu season hits the southern hemisphere first, CSL's flu vaccines were pulled from the much larger North American market before a similar disaster could befall our children.
Why did CSL's flu vaccines of 2010 injure so many? As did other vaccine companies in making their 2010 vaccines, CSL used the World Health Organization's recommended virus blend for 2010, which combined swine flu and two seasonal blends, along with a half dozen other ingredients. Apart from substituting WHO's new vaccine blend for the one used in 2009, CSL used the exact same recipe as it had in 2009, and its manufacturing processes were identical to those used in 2009, when its vaccine injury rate stayed within acceptable industry standards. Yet in 2010 CSL's vaccines harmed many more children than those from other vaccine manufacturers.

After a two-year investigation overseen by government regulators, CSL determined that 2010 was an unlucky year - its manufacturing process, when applied to the new trio of viruses that WHO selected that year, led to the high vaccine toll on children. The Australian government's Therapeutic Goods Administration agreed, saying "there are differences in manufacturing processes that may result in differences in the biology of the vaccines."
Unfortunately, children cannot be protected from such unexpected differences by first testing new flu vaccine recipes, stated Ian Barr, the deputy director of WHO's influenza research laboratory in Melbourne. By the time each season's new vaccine recipe was tested, the flu season would be over, making the tests academic. "It's just not possible because this is more or less a just-in-time vaccine," he explained.
A further wild card that makes safety results unknowable arises when additional vaccines are thrown into the mix. CSL is now in the Federal Court of Australia, arguing it is not liable for permanent brain damage to an infant, Saba Button, who became a paraplegic after receiving its 2010 vaccine. In its defense, CSL not only blames Saba's tragedy on the government's failure to warn the public promptly when flu shots began harming children but also blames two other vaccines - one for measles, mumps and rubella, the other for meningitis -- that Saba received the same day as her flu shot. The court will now have to decide if responsibility should be shared among CSL, the government, and the manufacturers of the other two vaccines.
Other flu shots have raised similar alarms in young children. In the 2011 flu season, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed 42 cases of seizures, 36 of them involving infants and 10 of them deemed "serious," after vaccination with Fluzone, a vaccine made by Sanofi-Pasteur. The U.S. health authorities decided the rate of seizure was acceptable and could continue "since vaccination is the best way to prevent illness and serious complications from influenza and pneumococcal disease and nearly all children who have a febrile seizure recover quickly and have no long-term effects." The following year a similar "increase was also observed... and this was not unexpected since the formulation from 2010-11 was not changed for the 2011-12 season."

Flu shots have also raised different alarms. CDC associates Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a disease that can lead to full body paralysis, with the influenza vaccine. Pandemrix, a GlaxoSmithKline vaccine used in Europe during the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic season, was found by studies in Finland, Sweden, France, Ireland and the UK to have caused some 800 cases of narcolepsy, mostly in youths and in adults under age 40.
In 2010, Public Health Agency Canada's "Weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report - Adverse Events Following Immunization," stated: "Since the start of the H1N1 flu vaccine campaign through January 16, a total of 5,944 adverse events have been reported to PHAC by provincial and territorial immunization programs, of which 230 met one or more of the criteria to be considered serious." PHAC defines an injury as "serious" when it is "life-threatening, or results in death, requires hospitalization, prolongs an existing hospitalization or results in residual disability." PHAC noted anaphylaxis as the most commonly reported serious injury.
Ironically, studies have also found that flu shots can make us more vulnerable to the flu. Four Canadian studies indicated that previous flu vaccinations could increase the chance of getting the flu by as much as 2.5 times. A 2011 Journal of Virology study determined that flu shots can increase susceptibility to the flu by lowering immunity.
The claim that the flu shot has no downside is untenable. Dr. Baldwin, retreat from your position and retweet.
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Nobody??

You May Be Better Off Without a Flu Shot
Flu shots have raised similar alarms in young children. In the 2011 flu season, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed 42 cases of seizures, 36 of them involving infants and 10 of them deemed "serious," after vaccination with Fluzone, a vaccine made by Sanofi-Pasteur.
By
Lawrence Solomon, Contributor
Columnist
02/06/2014 12:05pm EST | Updated April 8, 2014
This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email.
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"Doesn't matter. If it saves one life it is worth it. No down side to getting flu shot," Dr. Andy Baldwin tweeted me last week after I wrote that flu deaths were wildly exaggerated in my recent column, "Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths."

Dr. Baldwin, a popular California physician and media personality, is among the numerous physicians who consider flu shots a no-brainer, seemingly unaware of the authoritative studies - and injured men, women and children -- showing the flu shot's downsides to be all too real.

In Australia and New Zealand, two vaccines produced by CSL Biotherapies, one of the world's largest influenza vaccine manufacturers, led in 2010 to some 1,700 alarming results -- febrile convulsions, high fevers, and vomiting -- most of them involving small children. The harm was especially borne by those under three years of age - CSL's Fluvax Junior vaccine sent 4 per cent of these infants into febrile convulsions, its Fluvax vaccine 5 per cent. During a febrile convulsion a child often loses consciousness and shakes, generally for a minute or two, sometimes for 15 minutes or more. Because the flu season hits the southern hemisphere first, CSL's flu vaccines were pulled from the much larger North American market before a similar disaster could befall our children.
Why did CSL's flu vaccines of 2010 injure so many? As did other vaccine companies in making their 2010 vaccines, CSL used the World Health Organization's recommended virus blend for 2010, which combined swine flu and two seasonal blends, along with a half dozen other ingredients. Apart from substituting WHO's new vaccine blend for the one used in 2009, CSL used the exact same recipe as it had in 2009, and its manufacturing processes were identical to those used in 2009, when its vaccine injury rate stayed within acceptable industry standards. Yet in 2010 CSL's vaccines harmed many more children than those from other vaccine manufacturers.

After a two-year investigation overseen by government regulators, CSL determined that 2010 was an unlucky year - its manufacturing process, when applied to the new trio of viruses that WHO selected that year, led to the high vaccine toll on children. The Australian government's Therapeutic Goods Administration agreed, saying "there are differences in manufacturing processes that may result in differences in the biology of the vaccines."
Unfortunately, children cannot be protected from such unexpected differences by first testing new flu vaccine recipes, stated Ian Barr, the deputy director of WHO's influenza research laboratory in Melbourne. By the time each season's new vaccine recipe was tested, the flu season would be over, making the tests academic. "It's just not possible because this is more or less a just-in-time vaccine," he explained.
A further wild card that makes safety results unknowable arises when additional vaccines are thrown into the mix. CSL is now in the Federal Court of Australia, arguing it is not liable for permanent brain damage to an infant, Saba Button, who became a paraplegic after receiving its 2010 vaccine. In its defense, CSL not only blames Saba's tragedy on the government's failure to warn the public promptly when flu shots began harming children but also blames two other vaccines - one for measles, mumps and rubella, the other for meningitis -- that Saba received the same day as her flu shot. The court will now have to decide if responsibility should be shared among CSL, the government, and the manufacturers of the other two vaccines.
Other flu shots have raised similar alarms in young children. In the 2011 flu season, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed 42 cases of seizures, 36 of them involving infants and 10 of them deemed "serious," after vaccination with Fluzone, a vaccine made by Sanofi-Pasteur. The U.S. health authorities decided the rate of seizure was acceptable and could continue "since vaccination is the best way to prevent illness and serious complications from influenza and pneumococcal disease and nearly all children who have a febrile seizure recover quickly and have no long-term effects." The following year a similar "increase was also observed... and this was not unexpected since the formulation from 2010-11 was not changed for the 2011-12 season."

Flu shots have also raised different alarms. CDC associates Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a disease that can lead to full body paralysis, with the influenza vaccine. Pandemrix, a GlaxoSmithKline vaccine used in Europe during the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic season, was found by studies in Finland, Sweden, France, Ireland and the UK to have caused some 800 cases of narcolepsy, mostly in youths and in adults under age 40.
In 2010, Public Health Agency Canada's "Weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report - Adverse Events Following Immunization," stated: "Since the start of the H1N1 flu vaccine campaign through January 16, a total of 5,944 adverse events have been reported to PHAC by provincial and territorial immunization programs, of which 230 met one or more of the criteria to be considered serious." PHAC defines an injury as "serious" when it is "life-threatening, or results in death, requires hospitalization, prolongs an existing hospitalization or results in residual disability." PHAC noted anaphylaxis as the most commonly reported serious injury.
Ironically, studies have also found that flu shots can make us more vulnerable to the flu. Four Canadian studies indicated that previous flu vaccinations could increase the chance of getting the flu by as much as 2.5 times. A 2011 Journal of Virology study determined that flu shots can increase susceptibility to the flu by lowering immunity.
The claim that the flu shot has no downside is untenable. Dr. Baldwin, retreat from your position and retweet.
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Ah I see, I get it now. Sorry. You wanted an excuse to post a long impressive looking essay and I fell into it. Hope you enjoyed it
 

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