Covid: Personal views

purplenose said:
As someone who if I recall is finding this whole thing difficult, I find it strange that you would be so concerned about the incredibly small risk of side effects from this. Whatever that risk is it is going to be a far less risk than getting Covid....at any age.

Sometimes due to previous experience and developments science is able to increase its pace significantly in all kinds of fields including medicine. Given the right circumstances often war or catastrophe and the right financial backing things can happen very quickly indeed. In this case much of what has gone one has been able to be accelerated as it is something that has been done many times before..ie create a vaccine only this one is for a new illness.

This jab will offer you and everyone else a way out of this nightmare. It is infact the only way out, always has been always will be, track and trace and testing are like using Whitleys and Wellingtons to bomb Berlin in World war two, by and large a complete waste of time, only when the Lancaster came along were we fit for the job.

This time its not Lancasters and Spitfires getting us out of the shit, its syringes and needles, I would strongly suggest you consider very carefully having one as soon as you are offered the chance.
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First of all I am not finding this difficult at all, simply being cautious, and with good personal reasons
 
03 March 2002 said:
The line about how it can be brought to the public in 12 months is getting so tired and drawn out. The information is out there, go look it up if you have concern. Money and willingness to all pull in the same direction are what greases these wheels, not time. Typically you have to work to other peoples' timetables, that isn't the case here.

Finally, no adversity from those having taken it, say over a period of a few weeks.
This is exactly what a clinical trial is.
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And the results had how many reactions exactly?
 
Mon Autre said:
I'm just finding it really hard to believe that all of the "I won't have it unless I know what's in it" types have applied this logic consistently throughout their life. People who've previously paid no attention whatsoever to the crap that goes into their food, the drugs that are pumped into the animals they eat and the medicines they've taken throughout their lives. When a doctor prescribes these people a drug do they look up how long it's been out or even bother to read the side effects? So why now?

People who ate horsemeat lasagne in blissful ignorance and people who will be tucking into chlorinated chicken next year. People who take class A drugs on the weekend. Suddenly now they say "I won't have something unless I know what's in it". What a weird time to suddenly become curious about this kind of thing when it could save millions of people's lives and livelihoods.
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Spot-on. There is a risk attached to everything you consume and that includes a vaccine. It is a matter of personal judgement. People are entitled to way up the pros and cons for themselves. Personally I will be happy to take a vaccine. I believe science is ultimately the only way out of this crisis.
 
mosssideblue said:
And the results had how many reactions exactly?
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That's for the authorities to look at but you should know that they act entirely independently and they are absolutely up to the task. If you misplace a comma they'll make you re-write it all.

You'll have seen recently that the AZ/Oxford clinical trial was halted because a single participant in the UK developed what was thought to be a side-effect. The MHRA looked into it, as well as other leading international bodies and gave the green light to continue.

Perhaps when you see the data you'll know more?
 
03 March 2002 said:
That's for the authorities to look at but you should know that they act entirely independently and they are absolutely up to the task. If you misplace a comma they'll make you re-write it all.

You'll have seen recently that the AZ/Oxford clinical trial was halted because a single participant in the UK developed what was thought to be a side-effect. The MHRA looked into it, as well as other leading international bodies and gave the green light to continue.

Perhaps when you see the data you'll know more?
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And I see nothing in wanting to know that beforehand
 
mosssideblue said:
First of all I am not finding this difficult at all, simply being cautious, and with good personal reasons
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Hey not having a dig, and I am sure you are being careful. I know all about the personal reasons too....my mum 83 and eldest lad both had it, all well now thankfully. Not only that I was sat in the car with him for an hour or more as it turns out when he was likely to be at his most infectious, thought it was a cold! Nope.

How I did not get it is beyond me though the fact i didnt strengthens my suspicion and that of one doctor and a respitory nurse that I did indeed manage the impossible by catching it before it was possible to do so or was thought at the time. ...February.

So plenty of personal experience with the sod here too. For that very reason I have no problem at all with being at the front of the line for this vaccine, only way we are going to beat it and if I can get my life back whilst doing my bit by having it then I will gladly accept the very small risk of any serious consequences of having this vaccine.
 
purplenose said:
Hey not having a dig, and I am sure you are being careful. I know all about the personal reasons too....my mum 83 and eldest lad both had it, all well now thankfully. Not only that I was sat in the car with him for an hour or more as it turns out when he was likely to be at his most infectious, thought it was a cold! Nope.

How I did not get it is beyond me though the fact i didnt strengthens my suspicion and that of one doctor and a respitory nurse that I did indeed manage the impossible by catching it before it was possible to do so or was thought at the time. ...February.

So plenty of personal experience with the sod here too. For that very reason I have no problem at all with being at the front of the line for this vaccine, only way we are going to beat it and if I can get my life back whilst doing my bit by having it then I will gladly accept the very small risk of any serious consequences of having this vaccine.
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Losing a brother to reacting badly to a what was considered a safe vaccine has meant I have had to ensure things were safe for me and my children growing up. My kids never had that same vaccine that took my brother at 18 months of age.
So, I will want greater assurances than most, as will my children and their kids.

If that makes me an idiot by some on here, so be it.
 
mosssideblue said:
Losing a brother to reacting badly to a what was considered a safe vaccine has meant I have had to ensure things were safe for me and my children growing up. My kids never had that same vaccine that took my brother at 18 months of age.
So, I will want greater assurances than most, as will my children and their kids.

If that makes me an idiot by some on here, so be it.
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I dont think it makes you an idiot at all. I explains why with good reason to be wary at the very least.

Likewise interestingly as someone who had a life changing virus at 14 years of age thus very much aware of the Long Covid factor (M.E,) I am very much of the mind of the risk involved being well worth taking to give you as little chance of copping for similar to me let alone the possibility of it killing you.

It does show that people will have all kinds of thoughts on the subject and many with good reason for their opinions. There will however be many with silly views based on what some idiot has said on mums.net, facebook, and all the other bollocks.

You are clearly not one of these and I hope that you find the reassurance needed over the coming weeks and can soon be rid of this bloody awful threat hanging over us.
 
purplenose said:
I dont think it makes you an idiot at all. I explains why with good reason to be wary at the very least.

Likewise interestingly as someone who had a life changing virus at 14 years of age thus very much aware of the Long Covid factor (M.E,) I am very much of the mind of the risk involved being well worth taking to give you as little chance of copping for similar to me let alone the possibility of it killing you.

It does show that people will have all kinds of thoughts on the subject and many with good reason for their opinions. There will however be many with silly views based on what some idiot has said on mums.net, facebook, and all the other bollocks.

You are clearly not one of these and I hope that you find the reassurance needed over the coming weeks and can soon be rid of this bloody awful threat hanging over us.
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Thanks.
Agree, let's hope we are back to our normal routines sonest
 
I just find it hard to believe there won’t be side effects for many healthy people, you only have to look at thalidomide to see what can happen. Unless I have to have it too travel I’ll wait till a few million have had it first. Usually takes years of testing to sign something off, yes I get the whole world is in on this but time will tell if it has long lasting effects or not. I always go back to gulf war 1 and the cocktails of pills many HAD to take who ended up fucked and the MOD washed their hands of them.
 
Our response has been good - very good... a perfect response.

Hydroxychloroquine - it's a game changer.

Exposure to UV or bleach are extremely effective at killing the virus. We should look into this.

Cases are up only because we're doing such an excellent job at testing. We should do less testing.

We're rounding the corner - COVID is under total control.

After November 3rd you will not hear anything about COVID-19 in the news.
 
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Blue Maverick said:
I just find it hard to believe there won’t be side effects for many healthy people, you only have to look at thalidomide to see what can happen. Unless I have to have it too travel I’ll wait till a few million have had it first. Usually takes years of testing to sign something off, yes I get the whole world is in on this but time will tell if it has long lasting effects or not. I always go back to gulf war 1 and the cocktails of pills many HAD to take who ended up fucked and the MOD washed their hands of them.
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Thalidomide is now 60 years old and regulations have increased considerably since then.
Of course there will be side effects there are with virtually everything but ovre 20,000 people will havebeentested with it so large and importnat effects will be known. In addition it will be given to several million more high risk people who have to be monitored in phase 4 testing.
Completely risk free? Nothing is, exceptionally low risk?almost certainly.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
If people have "mental issues" with taking a vaccine, or an injection, or just some medicine, then they should take it up with their psychologist who I'm sure will tell them to shut up and roll their sleeves up, albeit in a professional way.
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Bet he wouldn’t and as usual you’re showing your lack of knowledge regarding people with mental health issues and how they’d be treated. You still think “man the fuck up” or such terminology would or should be used. You’ve not got a fucking clue and lack so much empathy for anyone with a different view I actually feel sorry for you. Hope to god one day you never suffer mentally.
 
2 million at least will die from it, many will be over 60 like me, many will have high blood pressure like me. Many will have chronic bronchial complaints like me,
Bring me the vaccine , i will trial it.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I just find it hard to believe there won’t be side effects for many healthy people, you only have to look at thalidomide to see what can happen. Unless I have to have it too travel I’ll wait till a few million have had it first. Usually takes years of testing to sign something off, yes I get the whole world is in on this but time will tell if it has long lasting effects or not. I always go back to gulf war 1 and the cocktails of pills many HAD to take who ended up fucked and the MOD washed their hands of them.
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I took pills on a daily basis when I was in Belize because we were advised to do so... Only when I was waiting for the flight home did I get handed leaflets about the diseases I could potentially have been exposed to

Will I take the vaccine with SWMBO (who's vulnerable) which has the 90% protection rate... Fuck yeah!!
 
mosssideblue said:
Losing a brother to reacting badly to a what was considered a safe vaccine has meant I have had to ensure things were safe for me and my children growing up. My kids never had that same vaccine that took my brother at 18 months of age.
So, I will want greater assurances than most, as will my children and their kids.

If that makes me an idiot by some on here, so be it.
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Grandson had his injections and was dead 18 hours later. The wife fed him and he nodded off and then we took him home. We left him in his pram so as not to disturb him and the daughter tried to wake him up but non of us could. So like you Mr Blue we too remain cautious and I do not think it's a lot to ask to see how a certain batch performs before becoming willing participants. There is also the dilemma of there being many different vaccines released over the next few months, so which if any will produce the best results and more importantly perform safer with little to no side effect. It's a dilemma for sure and maybe those on the front line or suffering underlying health issues would be best to dip toes early, but that choice remains there own. Risk reward strategy is one thing, unless of course you draw the short straw in the game of life, so it's not simply a case of people behaving irresponsibly, but more evaluating a given situation before wishing to proceed. As a general consensus vaccination is as safe as it can be but there will be casualties.
 
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