Covid vaccine uptake - poll

[Barcon]

It will be interesting to see if countries refuse entrance if someone has not had the vaccine.

It would not surprise me if, in the near future, there is a court case in which someone has a job offer withdrawn because the employer finds out the applicant has not had the vaccine.

As somebody that lives next door to the States, I sure as fuck hope so.

 

[Summerbuzz]

What if the employer insists the employee has the vaccine and the employee becomes seriously ill from it!
Does that then open a damages claim?

Pretty sure that offering someone a job on a condition, say, them getting a haircut, does not make the employer liable if the barber accidentally takes off their ear. It's still likely to be seen that it was the individual's own choice to accept the job offer and the conditions, or refuse it. After that, liability would likely come down to those who made the vaccine, marketed it, and certified it for use. The employer would be at the bottom of a stack of different people who might bear liability. If the evidence shows it to be a safe vaccine, to the accepted scientific and medical standards, they have an incredibly strong case for saying they acted reasonably.

The thing is, 1 in 20 getting long covid and possibly being absent for months is serious concern for employers. And we're still in the dark about the long term prospects. Do some never recover? So you may as well ask - if an employer does not take reasonable precautions to protect their staff from COVID, are they liable for that?

 

[moggymoz]

Watch this video before you take that shit. A vaccine that attempts to modify the mRNA mechanism of cellular reproduction. Too many people on this planet. A fancy way of reducing the population by 10-15%.

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You ain't a flat-Earther by any chance...
*rolls eyes*

 

[Ric]

I reckon about 8% is about right. If you did a nationwide survey. Just shows how loud the social media conspiracists are - when it’s a tiny minority in reality

Not sure that almost 1 in 10 people could be classed as a tiny minority (if indeed this poll were in any way accurate). It’d be a pretty sizeable dissenting minority. Thankfully we can presumably get some kind of herd immunity without them being immunised.

 

[dickie davies]

Pretty sure that offering someone a job on a condition, say, them getting a haircut, does not make the employer liable if the barber accidentally takes off their ear. It's still likely to be seen that it was the individual's own choice to accept the job offer and the conditions, or refuse it. After that, liability would likely come down to those who made the vaccine, marketed it, and certified it for use. The employer would be at the bottom of a stack of different people who might bear liability. If the evidence shows it to be a safe vaccine, to the accepted scientific and medical standards, they have an incredibly strong case for saying they acted reasonably.

The thing is, 1 in 20 getting long covid and possibly being absent for months is serious concern for employers. And we're still in the dark about the long term prospects. Do some never recover? So you may as well ask - if an employer does not take reasonable precautions to protect their staff from COVID, are they liable for that?

I was implying an existing employer/employee scenario

You are correct on the question of long Covid and its affects, but the same question hangs over the vaccines

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not sure that almost 1 in 10 people could be classed as a tiny minority (if indeed this poll were in any way accurate). It’d be a pretty sizeable dissenting minority. Thankfully we can presumably get some kind of herd immunity without them being immunised.

but when push comes to shove that 8% in reality would go down to 3/4%

 

[Manc in London]

What if the employer insists the employee has the vaccine and the employee becomes seriously ill from it!
Does that then open a damages claim?

Fair point but would suggest the applicant is not 'forced' as such as they have a choice of employer.

If the vaccine is a danger to a specific set of people (for example, a long term illness or condition of some sort), then I guess that would be a test of the Equality Act 2010.

Caveat: I am by no means a legal expert. Not sure I could even reach the dizzying heights of being called a layman in relation to law.

 

[Manc in London]

As somebody that lives next door to the States, I sure as fuck hope so.

I have this perception that the majority of anti vaxxers in the US are insular and would not even dream of cross state lines, never mind national borders :)

 

[Ric]

but when push comes to shove that 8% in reality would go down to 3/4%

Hopefully, although it’s equally feasible that the number of those saying they’d have the vaccine could drop too.

 

[Barcon]

I have this perception that the majority of anti vaxxers in the US are insular and would not even dream of cross state lines, never mind national borders :)

I like your way of thinking. ; )