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Gabriel said:
One could argue that you won’t see the benefits of him unless you use him effectively and create pitches that play to his strengths. A reliance on seamers is generally rewarded in England, but elsewhere their inadequacies are often quickly exposed.

I agree about the similarities between the two but think they could have been better managed. England have never fielded Anderson, Broad, Archer, and Wood in the same Test, and that is a genuine pity for the cricket watching public.
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Absolutely, but quicker pitches seem to be becoming rarer and rarer these days. There’s a couple in Australia (let’s see how the new Perth stadium pitch plays) and a couple in South Africa.

Outside of those pitches, out and out pace doesn’t seem to take a plethora of wickets.

Genuine pace bowlers can only sustain it for 10 overs a day or so, so picking Wood and Archer in the same side means the other bowlers are left with 70 overs to bowl between them, so you’d need at least 4 others unless your spinner can tie down an end for 25-30 overs.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Interesting article. He has been mismanaged, obviously, but his skillset aside from being fast wasn’t that great. He can do most things to a decent level, but he doesn’t swing and seam it anywhere near as much as Woakes, Broad and Anderson. I guess that is part of the reason why he bowled 42 overs in an innings, which he shouldn’t have been allowed to do.

I’m not saying he’s rubbish, or anything like that, but I just don’t see the hype around him. He’s on a par with Mark Wood for me. They have very similar test records.
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I agree with you that as yet at Test level he hasn't been better than Wood (who I like), I think a lot of the continued hype is based on what he does in the IPL. Archer won the MVP award for the 2020 IPL last year for Rajasthan who came bottom of the table. Archer, Bumrah, Boult and Rabada were the 4 stand out pace bowlers in the league and the other 3 are all great test bowlers too... it's just not quite happened for Jofra yet.
 
liamctid said:
I agree with you that as yet at Test level he hasn't been better than Wood (who I like), I think a lot of the continued hype is based on what he does in the IPL. Archer won the MVP award for the 2020 IPL last year for Rajasthan who came bottom of the table. Archer, Bumrah, Boult and Rabada were the 4 stand out pace bowlers in the league and the other 3 are all great test bowlers too... it's just not quite happened for Jofra yet.
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I haven’t ever really watched the IPL, so have missed out on that hype train. I struggle with franchise sport. The Hundred was ok, but I didn't really become a Manchester Originals fan as they were playing against Lancs players and it was all a bit weird.

Hopefully Archer can get healthy enough to prove his full potential. Then we’ll see how much the hype was justified.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Absolutely, but quicker pitches seem to be becoming rarer and rarer these days. There’s a couple in Australia (let’s see how the new Perth stadium pitch plays) and a couple in South Africa.

Outside of those pitches, out and out pace doesn’t seem to take a plethora of wickets.

Genuine pace bowlers can only sustain it for 10 overs a day or so, so picking Wood and Archer in the same side means the other bowlers are left with 70 overs to bowl between them, so you’d need at least 4 others unless your spinner can tie down an end for 25-30 overs.
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Yes, pace has its place but it needs to be woven into the fabric of the bowling attack.

Had a look at the statistics from the two Perth Tests and noted that Lyon took 8 wickets against India and 6 against New Zealand.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Very slow and low.

Is Archer the most overhyped bowler of the 21st Century? What has he actually done to justify his importance?

Even his super over wasn’t that great!
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Might have been wise to take another spinner then. About Archer its his death bowling, he rarely goes around the park. People go on about Chris Jordan as a good death bowler, but he goes for a run an over more than Archer in t20 internationals Mills is a good death bowler as well, and I'm glad he's in the squad, think he will do well.
 
shemnel said:
reported that there's a covid outbreak in the Indian camp, still restricted to coaching staff, but 4 or 5 cases now. Talk in the Indian press of cancelling the OT test, no comment from ECB yet
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ECB says all of the Indian players’ tests have returned negative so Test goes ahead. Not read anything directly from the Indian camp.
 
Some archive footage for you, to have a look at cricket over the years

England winning the ashes in the 5th test at the oval in 1953, the whole way everything is conducted is just so alien to us now



Ambrose cutting through the Aussies, 7 wickets for 1 run in a spell (1993?). The commentaries aren't too animated until his 6th. Boon, Hughes, Waugh, great names

 
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