Cry at our Midfield

[Balti]

how often are we facing and passing backwards

soul destroying stuff

 

[levets]

Was de Jong playing ?

Oh, yes he got booked, was totally by-passed as usual, chased a few shadows and shirked responsibility on the ball at every opportunity....we effectively played with ten men.

we effectively played with ten men.
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have to agree with this..
NDJ is the man to bring on.. when we're holding on.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

the problem with our midfield is with is we have no one who can pass a ball 20 or 30 yards strecth a game like the rags do we have no in there who is mobile its all slow 5 yard passes to the side all the time everton had 4 last night who could do everythink and ran our midfield ragged you have to have 1 or the other mobilty or class we have neither we are gonna have to relie on our forwards to get us 4th spot i feel we should just have enough but this area is going to have to be stregthend in the summer if we are to move forward and start challenging for honours arteta piennar rodwell i'd take any of those players in the summer to come into our squad i feel mancini know;s this and was trying to address this in january but was'nt able to get the players in

 

[goatfeeder100]

I've backed De Jong all season, I think he along with Tevez and Bellamy has been our best player this season, but last night I was very disappointed that he never got to grips with Arteta. It's not as if Everton had the ball all that much, but definitely the midfield battle was won by them hands down.

Barry confuses me big time because I have no idea what his role is, and I can't see what he contributes to the team. Plus his set pieces were atrocious time after time last night.

We are lacking creativity in a big way at the moment, we are still relying on a burst of pace from Bellamy or a moment of inspiration from Tevez. Relying on individual moments of quality is not enough against a side as well drilled and powerful as Everton. Dare I mention the name Elano, who IMO would be the perfect man to slot in just in front of De Jong, and produce the kind of incisive passing that we lack massively at the moment. People on here seem to have a huge problem with De Jong only ever playing the simple pass, when the reality is he is a holding midfielder, who is there to destroy any attacks coming his way, and when he gets the ball, plays it simple and allows the so-called ball players to get us going forward. He is fucking good at his job and it staggers me that some people can't see what he brings to the team, but his work doesn't mean much if the rest of the midfield aren't good enough to control the game off the back of his quality defensive work.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

de jong is stealing aa living, passes sideway or behind the man, breaking up vital momentum, he need dropping and selling, hes not the future, hes all thats bad about the epl, he wouldn't get in evertons team, yet the silly twat Mancini loves him.

de jong is not the problem, think some people forget what de jong's job is, if he could score every game , get 10 or more assists every season then he would be the best player in the world no question, are problem is that we dont have a creative midfielder someone like beniyoun etc...
without de jong playing this season we would not even finish in the top 8 never mind the top 4.

 

[Lucas North]

l have never got on the back of a City player in my life, but this de jong fella really irritates me with his inept , non-performances.

l wouldn't mind so much if he even just did the things he is supposed to do within his limited repertoire, ie protect the back four and break up play, but he doesn't even do that.

Then people get on Barry's back who is manfully working overtime to compensate for de-jong.

 

[depps]

We are lacking creativity in a big way at the moment, we are still relying on a burst of pace from Bellamy or a moment of inspiration from Tevez. Relying on individual moments of quality is not enough against a side as well drilled and powerful as Everton. Dare I mention the name Elano, who IMO would be the perfect man to slot in just in front of De Jong, and produce the kind of incisive passing that we lack massively at the moment. People on here seem to have a huge problem with De Jong only ever playing the simple pass, when the reality is he is a holding midfielder, who is there to destroy any attacks coming his way, and when he gets the ball, plays it simple and allows the so-called ball players to get us going forward. He is fucking good at his job and it staggers me that some people can't see what he brings to the team, but his work doesn't mean much if the rest of the midfield aren't good enough to control the game off the back of his quality defensive work.

Did you post this same paragraph after the first Everton game? I could swear I've read it before

 

[KingofDraw]

de jong is stealing aa living, passes sideway or behind the man, breaking up vital momentum, he need dropping and selling, hes not the future, hes all thats bad about the epl, he wouldn't get in evertons team, yet the silly twat Mancini loves him.

de jong is not the problem, think some people forget what de jong's job is, if he could score every game , get 10 or more assists every season then he would be the best player in the world no question, are problem is that we dont have a creative midfielder someone like beniyoun etc...
without de jong playing this season we would not even finish in the top 8 never mind the top 4.

Last Night he was part of the problem along with barry. they were n a 442 cuz ireland was hurt which sucked because we needed him, and de jong should never play in a 442, only thing he can play is with 2 other midfielders. we r gonna have to take some risks and bench barry and de jong imo

 

[goatfeeder100]

We are lacking creativity in a big way at the moment, we are still relying on a burst of pace from Bellamy or a moment of inspiration from Tevez. Relying on individual moments of quality is not enough against a side as well drilled and powerful as Everton. Dare I mention the name Elano, who IMO would be the perfect man to slot in just in front of De Jong, and produce the kind of incisive passing that we lack massively at the moment. People on here seem to have a huge problem with De Jong only ever playing the simple pass, when the reality is he is a holding midfielder, who is there to destroy any attacks coming his way, and when he gets the ball, plays it simple and allows the so-called ball players to get us going forward. He is fucking good at his job and it staggers me that some people can't see what he brings to the team, but his work doesn't mean much if the rest of the midfield aren't good enough to control the game off the back of his quality defensive work.

Did you post this same paragraph after the first Everton game? I could swear I've read it before

No idea..

 

[blue_paul]

l have never got on the back of a City player in my life, but this de jong fella really irritates me with his inept , non-performances.

l wouldn't mind so much if he even just did the things he is supposed to do within his limited repertoire, ie protect the back four and break up play, but he doesn't even do that.

Then people get on Barry's back who is manfully working overtime to compensate for de-jong.

Lucas, you and others such as Neil McNab are indeed correct. De Jong is an extremely limited player who makes no impact whatsoever when we're chasing the game such as was the situation last night.
People have this idea that we need a player who is a holding midfielder and the rest of his game is an irrelevance becasue that's what they hears some pundit say every side needs or they read it from some journo idiot in 4-4-2.

Claude Makelele has a lot to answer for. He made the idea of a one diminsional holding midfielder trendy when in reality, midfielders need to be far more dynamic than this. Go and google the players Makelele had around him and you'll soon find out why he could get away with being strong in one area only.
Our 'holding midfielder' can't even time his tackles properly.
People on here blame Barry who shoulders far more responsibility than his limited midfield partner and incidentally looks far better with Viera.
I know i'll get abuse for this but in my opinion, you know absolutely fuck all about football if you rate De Jong and think he's a better player than Barry.

Excuse my Language darlings
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[KingofDraw]

l have never got on the back of a City player in my life, but this de jong fella really irritates me with his inept , non-performances.

l wouldn't mind so much if he even just did the things he is supposed to do within his limited repertoire, ie protect the back four and break up play, but he doesn't even do that.

Then people get on Barry's back who is manfully working overtime to compensate for de-jong.

Lucas, you and others such as Neil McNab are indeed correct. De Jong is an extremely limited player who makes no impact whatsoever when we're chasing the game such as was the situation last night.
People have this idea that we need a player who is a holding midfielder and the rest of his game is an irrelevance becasue that's what they hears some pundit say every side needs or they read it from some journo idiot in 4-4-2.

Claude Makelele has a lot to answer for. He made the idea of a one diminsional holding midfielder trendy when in reality, midfielders need to be far more dynamic than this. Go and google the players Makelele had around him and you'll soon find out why he could get away with being strong in one area only.
Our 'holding midfielder' can't even time his tackles properly.
People on here blame Barry who shoulders far more responsibility than his limited midfield parnter and incidentally looks far better with Viera.
I knowe i'll get abuse foer this but in my opinion, you know absolutely fuck all about football if you rate De jong and think he's a better player than Barry.

Excuse my Language darlings
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never rated any of them, both arent good enough. and both should be benched

 

[goatfeeder100]

l have never got on the back of a City player in my life, but this de jong fella really irritates me with his inept , non-performances.

l wouldn't mind so much if he even just did the things he is supposed to do within his limited repertoire, ie protect the back four and break up play, but he doesn't even do that.

Then people get on Barry's back who is manfully working overtime to compensate for de-jong.

Lucas, you and others such as Neil McNab are indeed correct. De Jong is an extremely limited player who makes no impact whatsoever when we're chasing the game such as was the situation last night.
People have this idea that we need a player who is a holding midfielder and the rest of his game is an irrelevance becasue that's what they hears some pundit say every side needs or they read it from some journo idiot in 4-4-2.

Claude Makelele has a lot to answer for. He made the idea of a one diminsional holding midfielder trendy when in reality, midfielders need to be far more dynamic than this. Go and google the players Makelele had around him and you'll soon find out why he could get away with being strong in one area only.
Our 'holding midfielder' can't even time his tackles properly.
People on here blame Barry who shoulders far more responsibility than his limited midfield parnter and incidentally looks far better with Viera.
I knowe i'll get abuse foer this but in my opinion, you know absolutely fuck all about football if you rate De jong and think he's a better player than Barry.

Excuse my Language darlings
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I'd argue that you know fuck all about football if you don't see what De Jong brings to the team, and you can't see that the consistent non-performances of people like Barry and Ireland ar rendering a lot of De Jong's defensive work as pointless.

 

[blue_paul]

Lucas, you and others such as Neil McNab are indeed correct. De Jong is an extremely limited player who makes no impact whatsoever when we're chasing the game such as was the situation last night.
People have this idea that we need a player who is a holding midfielder and the rest of his game is an irrelevance becasue that's what they hears some pundit say every side needs or they read it from some journo idiot in 4-4-2.

Claude Makelele has a lot to answer for. He made the idea of a one diminsional holding midfielder trendy when in reality, midfielders need to be far more dynamic than this. Go and google the players Makelele had around him and you'll soon find out why he could get away with being strong in one area only.
Our 'holding midfielder' can't even time his tackles properly.
People on here blame Barry who shoulders far more responsibility than his limited midfield parnter and incidentally looks far better with Viera.
I knowe i'll get abuse foer this but in my opinion, you know absolutely fuck all about football if you rate De jong and think he's a better player than Barry.

Excuse my Language darlings
x

I'd argue that you know fuck all about football if you don't see what De Jong brings to the team, and you can't see that the consistent non-performances of people like Barry and Ireland ar rendering a lot of De Jong's defensive work as pointless.

A holding midfielder who can't run, pass or tackle properly, marvellous!
You like him because he's great on championship manager on your latest games console.......

 

[goatfeeder100]

I'd argue that you know fuck all about football if you don't see what De Jong brings to the team, and you can't see that the consistent non-performances of people like Barry and Ireland ar rendering a lot of De Jong's defensive work as pointless.

A holding midfielder who can't run, pass or tackle properly, marvellous!
You like him because he's great on championship manager on your latest games console.......

You don't like him because he isn't some kind of Michael Essien all-conquering beast of a midfielder.

He is a good tackler, puts pressure on opponents, and when he gets the ball he keeps it simple and keeps possession. How dreadful is that!

 

[blue_paul]

A holding midfielder who can't run, pass or tackle properly, marvellous!
You like him because he's great on championship manager on your latest games console.......

You don't like him because he isn't some kind of Michael Essien all-conquering beast of a midfielder.

He is a good tackler, puts pressure on opponents, and when he gets the ball he keeps it simple and keeps possession. How dreadful is that!

He's not a good tackler, he oftern mis times and can be rash in his decision making. His passing range is dreadful, you cannot possibly argue against this. His short passing isn't even crisp and precise enough.
We need a creative midfielder in beside Barry who can do what De jong is supposed to do tenfold. You'll thank me when this is proven next season.

 

[goatfeeder100]

You don't like him because he isn't some kind of Michael Essien all-conquering beast of a midfielder.

He is a good tackler, puts pressure on opponents, and when he gets the ball he keeps it simple and keeps possession. How dreadful is that!

He's not a good tackler, he oftern mis times and can be rash in his decision making. His passing range is dreadful, you cannot possibly argue against this. His short passing isn't even crisp and precise enough.
We need a creative midfielder in beside Barry who can do what De jong is supposed to do tenfold. You'll thank me when this is proven next season.

Why aren't you manager? You're definitely arrogant enough to feel you know what's best!

I flat out don't agree with your assessment of DE Jong, it's pointless elaborating because it's just a flat out disgreement with all of your points about him. He knows what he is good at, he even says it himself in interviews, so to expect him to have this glorious passing range is missing the point entirely of what he is all about.

I would even have Vieira alongside De Jong, fuck Barry off because he offers very little going forward or backwards and have someone in the mould of Elano (we should never have sold him) in front of them to give us some incision when trying to unlock defences.

 

[Lucas North]

Just seen a stat about our nige.

He's missed 7 games this season. We've won 5 and drawn 2 of them, obviously losing 0.

So when he starts we would have Won 9 drawn 9 lost 5 - average points per game 1.56

Without him average points per game - 2.42

We're better when he isn't in the team. FACT

 

[maxflicity]

I don't agree with playing Barry and De Jong both in midfield together at home. We need a central midfielder who can keep the ball, is disciplined, and has very good passing and vision. I'm thinking someone like Banega, Gago, D'Agostino, they fit the bill for that. Michael Johnson would be useful for that if he wasn't always injured.

Priority on our summer shopping list, out of 1-5:

Goalkeeper (1) - Given is good enough, and Hart is very promising

Central defender (2) - Kompany and Lescott are a decent partnership, Toure and Onuoha are capable back-up

Right-back (3) - I feel we could do with a better right-back, Zabaleta is good going forwards, but lacking defensively, same with Richards

Left-back (2) - Bridge is good enough

Defensive midfielder (1) - Barry and De Jong are more than able in that department

Central midfielder (5) - The top area we need to strengthen

Attacking midfielder (3) - If Ireland doesn't replicate his 08/09 form than this is an area we should pay attention to

Right midfielder (2) - Johnson looks very promising, despite SWP's inconsistency, we're well equipped here

Left midfielder (3) - Petrov is good, but injury prone. An area we could strengthen

Forwards (1) - With Bellamy, Tevez, and possibly Robinho, we're good

Striker (2) - Adebayor and Santa Cruz are good tall strikers to have, a smaller, quicker striker might be useful though

Problem is fella we can only play 11 players on the park at once and you have about 7 midfielders and 6 attcakers.

Midfield is the key for us, a goodish midfield (last night - but not fabulous) made us look ordinary.

 

[goatfeeder100]

Just seen a stat about our nige.

He's missed 7 games this season. We've won 5 and drawn 2 of them, obviously losing 0.

So when he starts we would have Won 9 drawn 9 lost 5 - average points per game 1.56

Without him average points per game - 2.42

We're better when he isn't in the team. FACT

That is an embarrassingly simplistic way of looking at it. How about looking at the games he has played in and not played in, rather tha aking the stats at face value. He was integral to our victories over Arsenal and Chelsea twice for starters.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

I don't agree with playing Barry and De Jong both in midfield together at home. We need a central midfielder who can keep the ball, is disciplined, and has very good passing and vision. I'm thinking someone like Banega, Gago, D'Agostino, they fit the bill for that. Michael Johnson would be useful for that if he wasn't always injured.

Priority on our summer shopping list, out of 1-5:

Goalkeeper (1) - Given is good enough, and Hart is very promising

Central defender (2) - Kompany and Lescott are a decent partnership, Toure and Onuoha are capable back-up

Right-back (3) - I feel we could do with a better right-back, Zabaleta is good going forwards, but lacking defensively, same with Richards

Left-back (2) - Bridge is good enough

Defensive midfielder (1) - Barry and De Jong are more than able in that department

Central midfielder (5) - The top area we need to strengthen

Attacking midfielder (3) - If Ireland doesn't replicate his 08/09 form than this is an area we should pay attention to

Right midfielder (2) - Johnson looks very promising, despite SWP's inconsistency, we're well equipped here

Left midfielder (3) - Petrov is good, but injury prone. An area we could strengthen

Forwards (1) - With Bellamy, Tevez, and possibly Robinho, we're good

Striker (2) - Adebayor and Santa Cruz are good tall strikers to have, a smaller, quicker striker might be useful though

Problem is fella we can only play 11 players on the park at once and you have about 7 midfielders and 6 attcakers.

Midfield is the key for us, a goodish midfield (last night - but not fabulous) made us look ordinary.

I'm not saying we need a radical overhaul, I'm just rating positions out of 5 where we could do better.