Crystal Palace (H) | Post Match Thread

[OB1]

Had a flashback to the Forest game when Crosby headed the ball out of Dibbles hands and scored - can laugh about it now though

Nope, I was there and I'm still pissed off about it ;-)

 

[OB1]

Vieira's not a "dickhead" though, that's really unfair, like many/most PL managers playing City, he plays to the ability of his squad's ability, they don't have our resources, or player our ability, and in the first half today we got schooled, we were shocking, it wasn't pretty, but it was mostly not pretty by City.

Great that we changed, and eventually turned up in the second half to be the team we are capable of being, but slagging someone off because they play a different style is all very "entitled", we have to earn the right to win, and today, despite an abject first half, we did exactly that, so let's celebrate the fact.

I don't agree that city got schooled in the first half but Vieira is not a dickhead and, as you say, he went with the best ttactics he could given his resources. His team did get very lucky though with both goals. However, he had them well drilled and organised. I'm sure his former bosses and MCFC are keeping a close eye on his progress.

 

[Roachy]

It helped because the 3 at the back was 1 more than we had in the first half! We've always looked vulnerable to the basic ball over the top, but with just 2 centre halves covering the full pitch, it doesn't even need to be a good ball.

Sitting in the family stand, roughly in live with the 18 yd line on our LHS for the first half, there was never anyone outside me. Dias was first, Cancelo in front of him and Foden was then in front of him. None of them had an angled ball out and the only width to the pitch was from Mahrez staying wide.

I'm not sure if that was intentional or some players not getting it, but we were so narrow and the fullbacks couldn't/wouldn't overlap, so it was fairly easy for Palace to defend against but also gave them easy out balls, as there was so much space.

Second half, Cancelo at least got wide and beyond Foden before he was taken off. Bernardo charged the game though, so much more direct than Mahrez had been.

Noticed Walker going into central midfield as well. Must have been tactical because Pep didn't chastise him. However, it produced absolutely zero.

 

[OB1]

Only caught MoTD as was working but thought it was strange they were talking about the ball not being fully released.

Had a mooch around the IFAB website and from what I read under rule 11.2 the ref was spot on as technically it comes under offside.

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
  
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
  • challenging an opponent for the ball or
  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Edit: Meant to add if that wasn’t an obvious action to prevent Eddy from playing the ball then I don’t know what the fuck is.

Wrong law...

 

[cleavers]

I thought we pretty much had control of the game yesterday. 74% possession and 18 attempts against 26% and 2 attempts. Newcastle we were not in control at times. The thing with us, as can be the case in games is that we shouldn’t be conceding that many goals from that number of attempts. The first goal should not have happened.

I agree we shouldn't be conceding 2 from 2 chances, though to be fair 1 of the 2 wasn't the first goal (which for me was one of those you can't do much about). The second goal definitely shouldn't have happened, as we should have been taking a free kick instead, not sure when a forearm smash to the face became a legal challenge ?

 

[Burtonblue]

Just watching motd and Erlings 3rd goal.

Wow. Just wow.
He is an absolute machine.

Yes
He’s so powerful and strong but there’s a strange grace about his movement at the same time.
He has some of the quickest feet around too.
Genuinely don’t think I’ve seen another player like him.
Devastating combination.

 

[OB1]

The corner that led to their second should not have been given, as one of the Palace players - I forget which one - fouled Len just before the ball went out.

Agreed. Didn't realise that until I saw MotD.

 

[cleavers]

Noticed Walker going into central midfield as well. Must have been tactical because Pep didn't chastise him. However, it produced absolutely zero.

We've been doing this with the full backs since Pep arrived, effectively playing 244 on the attack, I'm not quite sure how so many people haven't noticed until yesterday.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Just watching motd and Erlings 3rd goal.

Wow. Just wow.
He is an absolute machine.

I am also just (re)watching MOTD for about the 5th time. If it were still tape that section would be worn out by now. I rarely watch any of the other matches just ours and keep rewinding. The way Bernie weaves through the opposition is magic in itself and then the second goal where we pass from Silva to KDB to Alverez to Foden to Haaland superb.

Just love Guy Mowbray when the camera pans to Paddy looking pensive and he (Guy) just laconically says, "Well it was fun while it lasted." as if that was what Paddy must have been thinking!

You know I think I'm worse about making comments when I haven't been to the games! Must get over this obsession with our wonderful football and team. That goal where John Boy gets the assist! Fantastic, really fantastic. Corner from Silva to KDb back to Silva to Alvarez back to Silva to Stones and bang, bang, bang, Haaland.
Right I have a life. ta ta have a good day!

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I agree we shouldn't be conceding 2 from 2 chances, though to be fair 1 of the 2 wasn't the first goal (which for me was one of those you can't do much about). The second goal definitely shouldn't have happened, as we should have been taking a free kick instead, not sure when a forearm smash to the face became a legal challenge ?

Ederson could have done much more in the lead up to the first goal. That was a sloppy bit of play that ultimately cost us a goal.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

We weren’t that bad in the first half. We were just too slow and de Bruyne was too high up the pitch.

All we needed to do was inject a bit more energy into the game,

All Palace did all game was cross two balls into our box and the ball ended up in the net on both occasions. And just before their second goal, Ayew pushed his forearm into Cancelo’s mush so we should have had a free kick and Ayew should have been booked rather than them get a corner that they scored from.

But then we wouldn’t have had that excitement of coming from two goals down… again!

Haaland is a machine. Alvarez is like a wasp, his energy is incredible. Bernardo was brilliant.

What was up with Walker at the final whistle? Saw his arse, booted the ball at the crowd and stormed off straight down the tunnel flinging his arms in the air.

 

[waspish]

Walker should defend the counter pass it wide to or cross field pass! Don’t try and be Kdb Silva of gundogan

 

[cleavers]

I don't agree that city got schooled in the first half

We were in an attacking sense, we created very little due to their control of our attacking players. We controlled the ball for long periods, but did nothing with it other than crab from side to side. KdB couldn't do anything, and their organisation controlled Foden, Mahrez, and Haaland.

 

[Roachy]

We've been doing this with the full backs since Pep arrived, effectively playing 244 on the attack, I'm not quite sure how so many people haven't noticed until yesterday.

Noticed it plenty fella and that tactic hasn't been used in all of Peps games since he arrived, so don't really know what you mean.

 

[OB1]

We were in an attacking sense, we created very little due to their control of our attacking players. We controlled the ball for long periods, but did nothing with it other than crab from side to side. KdB couldn't do anything, and their organisation controlled Foden, Mahrez, and Haaland.

They were extremely well organised and denied us space very effectively but Pep said after the match that some of our plaers were not in position as per our gameplan so I am going to continue to disagree on the schooling bit but we don't need a semantics debate :-)

 

[blueparrot]

Noticed it plenty fella and that tactic hasn't been used in all of Peps games since he arrived, so don't really know what you mean.

Not all but a lot.

 

[Vienna_70]

I don't agree that city got schooled in the first half but Vieira is not a dickhead and, as you say, he went with the best ttactics he could given his resources. His team did get very lucky though with both goals. However, he had them well drilled and organised. I'm sure his former bosses and MCFC are keeping a close eye on his progress.

I fucking hate time-wasting, but if a referee allows a team to get away with it, then you can’t really blame a team and its manager for employing such tactics.

For those wondering, the booing was for the ref allowing Palace to get away with blatant time-wasting. At least, it was from me.

On another note, the tactical brilliance of Pep was highlighted in his decision to take off Cancelo and Mahrez and replace them with Álvarez and Gündoğan, and go three at the back with Foden and Silva as wing-backs.

Then, once the game was won, return to a back four by replacing Håland with Gomez.

Pure genius.

 

[Vienna_70]

Agreed. Didn't realise that until I saw MotD.

No, nor did I.

 

[Roachy]

Not all but a lot.

I thought I said that.

 

[nellyonthewing]

I fucking hate time-wasting, but if a referee allows a team to get away with it, then you can’t really blame a team and its manager for employing such tactics.

For those wondering, the booing was for the ref allowing Palace to get away with blatant time-wasting. At least, it was from me.

On another note, the tactical brilliance of Pep was highlighted in his decision to take off Cancelo and Mahrez and replace them with Álvarez and Gündoğan, and go three at the back with Foden and Silva as wing-backs.

Then, once the game was won, return to a back four by replacing Håland with Gomez.

Pure genius.

Or perhaps he logged into the Matchday forum where that information was freely available…