Crystal Palace (H) - Post Match

cancelo a DEFENDER ? pep a new centre half now .........
I think you'll find when Laporte comes bank suddenly the defenders around him will look good again.

The one player who I think City fans can justifiably be concerned with is Cancelo. Very disappointing buy. Danilo was better. I also have a bit of a concern about Rodri. I am more concerned about the defenisve midfield position at City than centre-back.

If you look at the Palace equaliser it stems not from Stones but Rodri and Cancelo. Rodri lost a midfield 50/50. In fact KDB also loses a 50/50 and then Cancelo i out of position. The only city player who even tries to do his job properly is Stones. But typically City fans follow the herd because Stones gets universal criticism. He is at most partly to blame for a collective failure.
 
I think you'll find when Laporte comes bank suddenly the defenders around him will look good again.

The one player who I think City fans can justifiably be concerned with is Cancelo. Very disappointing buy. Danilo was better. I also have a bit of a concern about Rodri. I am more concerned about the defenisve midfield position at City than centre-back.

If you look at the Palace equaliser it stems not from Stones but Rodri and Cancelo. Rodri lost a midfield 50/50. In fact KDB also loses a 50/50 and then Cancelo i out of position. The only city player who even tries to do his job properly is Stones. But typically City fans follow the herd because Stones gets universal criticism. He is at most partly to blame for a collective failure.

Maybe we just need Fernandinho back in defensive midfield. He's better at it than anyone and rarely loses any 50/50 balls. He reads the game better than Rodri too.

Hopefully with Laporte back to partner Stones all will be well again.
 
At least we didn’t lose, our inability to take our chances was there again today, spunking away chance after chance to score. CP defended well in numbers as most do when they come here, and YET we still try and walk the ball into the net. I dread to think how we will cope with RM if we defend like we did yesterday.
Cancelo was out of position for the last goal, as soon as Zaha picked up the ball he should have been floored. I staggered to believe that our players are so scared of tackling. If that was any other team, Zaha would have been scythed to the ground. Take one for the team and waste a few seconds. I am still furious at our ‘schoolboy’ defending. Cancelo is not doing himself any favours performing like this, and it’s not the first time. No wonder Pep doesn’t play him as often as Cancelo would like. Not sure what the fcuk is going on with Stones, he seems like a shadow of his former self. He might need to move on as it looks like he can’t perform at the standard needed by us.
Merlin, is getting slower by the game. I’m gutted, as in my opinion he’s one of the greatest to ever play in the PL.
Sterling makes my blood boil at times, screaming for the ball, only to balloon it over the bar or smash it into a defenders legs.
We didn't make make clear cut chances. We had a lot of efforts on goal but not many shots on target. I thought we went too often for the easy ball to Mendy. Eventually he got a ball in to Aguero for the 2nd and Mendy had a good game but Gundogam, KDB and David Silva did nothing. Jesus and Mahrez changed the game.
 
Maybe we just need Fernandinho back in defensive midfield. He's better at it than anyone and rarely loses any 50/50 balls. He reads the game better than Rodri too.

Hopefully with Laporte back to partner Stones all will be well again.
Stones is injured again. I hope it is not serious. Stones and Laporte are the only way we win anything serious. Fern is not a long term solution at defensive midfield.
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
 
Jesus and Mahrez have been our 2 best forwards this season - not surprising since they both came back this season from international cup triumphs. They must start against United and Madrid.
Jesus and Aguero maybe with Mahrez right and KDB and Bernardo in the middle.

Our attacking play and potential are outstanding.

I worry more about our inability to defend: defensive midfield and centre-back. If Stones is out, and Laporte is not fully fit we will have a big problem. That really has been our problem all season long. Stones has done nothing this season. Nothing at all but I hold that that is down to injury at lack of a competent partner.
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
There will be good days ahead. Not sure if it will be this season or next.

Liverpool will likely drop a level next season and may lose Mane and Salah at the same time in January next season. That's a potential killer blow. We have effectively had that in our defence all season long.
 
The rule as it currently stands is:
he following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:
The ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball

So I would suggest the referee on the field determined it hit his hand (no doubt there) and that his body was unnaturally bigger. Yes some allowance has to be made for him coming in to block, but his arm is a hell of a long way away from his body, and I can't see how it isn't making his body 'unnaturally larger' - irrespective of the leeway that needs to be given for the position he was taking. Remember as well it wasn't his arm below his body (which is really why the rule is drafted as it is - because its very hard to keep that out of the way) - but the one above. For mine, yes its a harsh call, but under the current handball rules, I think its a penalty every day of the week.

The VAR team obviously didn't buy the 2nd part of that however - but the biggest question is, was it a clear and obvious error on the part of the referee? They trot that line out every single time they need to defend not changing a call, but equally it should be challenged when they do change a call. I think one can mount a reasonable case of evidence to support the referees original decision - therefore, I can't see how it is ever so possibly a clear and obvious error in this case.

After all, one would argue in the Zaha challenge space earlier in the game, that is exactly what they did. One could see some fairly damning evidence to suggest that had it been called a penalty, they wouldn't have overturned it. Hence, one must assume they decided it wasn't a clear and obvious error on the part of the referee.

And we've seen how high the bar of evidence has to be at times - think the outrageous non penalty call on David Silva earlier in the season, when the guy (Accidentally albeit) stomped on his foot and took him out. Easy to understand how the referee missed it in real time, as clear and obvious an error as you'll see, yet they hid behind that to excuse not changing the decision. Its an outrageous 'get out' clause because they attempt at 'objectively' making decisions is still impacted hugely by subjectivity. A lot of that would go away imho if the referee on the pitch was made to look at the screen for any controversial decisions, and ultimately was the final decision maker, as it should be (Beyond blatantly obvious cases where its clear a completely wrong call has been made).

As others have said, they wouldn't turn that over at Klanfield if you ask me.
Great reply mate, many thanks. Just wondering now, does the ref have to accept VAR panel decision, or can he simply think, I am in charge and I believe I was orinially correct so my initial ruling stands?

I agree it could be a career limiting stance
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
Don't tell us the wife's got you up a ladder cleaning the gu...
 

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