Cuba

Palerider said:
Nothing to do with bombing. I am saying that many people seem to prefer authoritarian regimes. Period. Left wing, right wing, hard line Islam. All these ideologies promise to look after you in return for your blind and complete obedience to the ideology and it seems to suit many, many, people just fine. But it's not for me and I support the right of people like me to have a choice via free elections. i.e Democracy.
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I think people prefer having their baser needs met to some abstract idea of freedom. The reality is if you live in a poor country, the choice isn't authoritarian vs free, it's authoritarian regime versus massively flawed and corrupt democracy that inevitably results in another authoritarian regime. And it's easy to sit in a rich, free country and criticise people for choosing the devil they know.

In another sense though (perhaps the one you were referring to), a dangerous number of people are only in favour of getting the outcome they want, and not particularly concerned with how they get it. They're not particularly concerned with a politician cheating, lying, or even breaking the law, as long as it's someone on 'their side' doing it. As long as the authoritarian regime is broadly doing things they approve of, they don't really care if the opposition ends up in prison. Let's be honest, a hell of a lot of people who want Trump gone would not care if it was done via assassination, for example. Nor would a large number of his supporters care particularly if he ordered an assassination of a political enemy.
 
Palerider said:
Nothing to do with bombing. I am saying that many people seem to prefer authoritarian regimes. Period. Left wing, right wing, hard line Islam. All these ideologies promise to look after you in return for your blind and complete obedience to the ideology and it seems to suit many, many, people just fine. But it's not for me and I support the right of people like me to have a choice via free elections. i.e Democracy.
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Most people posting on this forum would support the right of people to have a choice via free elections.

And very few would prefer authoritarian regimes.

You seem to be getting opposition to illegal bombings or blockades mixed up with support for authoritarian regimes again.
 
dublinblue12 said:
If he can somehow wiggle out of the Iranian mess Trump will move on to causing unnecessary problems with Cuba, it will also just happen to coincide with the release of further redacted documents on the Epstein files.
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He is already causing unnecessary problems for Cuba.

He kidnapped the Venezuelan leader who was supplying Cuba with oil. He has basically told the new leader of Venezuela that if she doesnt comply with US rules she'd be kidnapped as well. One of the rules is, dont supply Cuba with oil.
(He is also threatening Mexico who have said they cannot ignore the suffering of the innocents)

My support is not for Cuba, it is for the innocents suffering in Cuba because a paedophile rapists lust for power
 
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Innsbruckblue said:
Perhaps the only way to protect their country and its inhabitants from infighting and from the capitalist US sharks circling them and ready to snatch everything from which they can make money is to be authoritarian. They may not have everything they want, but they sure have a lot of what they need. Now imagine the Americans running Cuba, and we’ll see how good their healthcare and education systems are.
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Why do people think there was a revolution?

American companies owned most of the means of production, under a capitalist dictator.

Does no-one do history?
 
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Palerider said:
From the internet.
Cuba is generally classified by political scientists and international watchdogs as a single-party authoritarian regime, not a democracy
. While Cuba holds elections for local and national assemblies, the Communist Party of Cuba (PCC) is the only legal party, and political opposition is not permitted.

So, similar to Iran, it can be argued that it's citizens are not free. Now how important freedom is to you compared to safety is almost certainly a personal choice. For me, I would want democracy, freedom, others may be satisfied with life under an authoritarian regime (that they may or may not support). So if I was Cuban I would welcome regime change if it delivered democracy. i.e If I was Cuban I would not be interested in the rest of the world anguishing over whether my freedom was legal or not I would just want someone to do something, again, similar to many in Iran who want their fascist government overthrown.
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And lucky for the cubans the orange wannabe authoritarian king who is pushing for more control over elections in his own country is the man who wants to 'free' them
 
Vic said:
Why so people think there was a revolution?

American companies owned most of the means of production, under a capitalist dictator.

Does no-one do history?
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Not sure what you’re getting at, but I think it’s quite clear that I was referring to why Cuba has chosen its path
 
moomba said:
Well I'd say that if it takes destroying peoples lives to convince people that they need to overthrow their government, maybe it wasnt such a pressing issue in the first place.
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Is it always possible to overthrow a government though? In general it always need a spark and a big one.
The problem for those starting a spark? Death.
 
Palerider said:
From the internet.
Cuba is generally classified by political scientists and international watchdogs as a single-party authoritarian regime, not a democracy
. While Cuba holds elections for local and national assemblies, the Communist Party of Cuba (PCC) is the only legal party, and political opposition is not permitted.

So, similar to Iran, it can be argued that it's citizens are not free. Now how important freedom is to you compared to safety is almost certainly a personal choice. For me, I would want democracy, freedom, others may be satisfied with life under an authoritarian regime (that they may or may not support). So if I was Cuban I would welcome regime change if it delivered democracy. i.e If I was Cuban I would not be interested in the rest of the world anguishing over whether my freedom was legal or not I would just want someone to do something, again, similar to many in Iran who want their fascist government overthrown.
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Wtf. It's an American bullying thing. Canada, Greenland, Venezuela, Iran, cuba where next. What resource rich part of the world do they want to grab next?

All whilst people like you say, yeah that's fair.
 
hilts said:
Is it always possible to overthrow a government though? In general it always need a spark and a big one.
The problem for those starting a spark? Death.
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Might be a difficult concept for USA but they dont actually have to overthrow ever government they dont like.
 
Nationalise his courses, make them municipal £15 a round, jeans and football shirts welcome.

There must be massive amounts of 24/7 security on his courses at the mo. Trump Turnberry is up to £1000 a round.
 
Djibrilshairdo said:
Nationalise his courses, make them municipal £15 a round, jeans and football shirts welcome.

There must be massive amounts of 24/7 security on his courses at the mo. Trump Turnberry is up to £1000 a round.
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Jeans and football shirts? Not even on a muni should that happen.
 
Palerider said:
From the internet.
Cuba is generally classified by political scientists and international watchdogs as a single-party authoritarian regime, not a democracy
. While Cuba holds elections for local and national assemblies, the Communist Party of Cuba (PCC) is the only legal party, and political opposition is not permitted.

So, similar to Iran, it can be argued that it's citizens are not free. Now how important freedom is to you compared to safety is almost certainly a personal choice. For me, I would want democracy, freedom, others may be satisfied with life under an authoritarian regime (that they may or may not support). So if I was Cuban I would welcome regime change if it delivered democracy. i.e If I was Cuban I would not be interested in the rest of the world anguishing over whether my freedom was legal or not I would just want someone to do something, again, similar to many in Iran who want their fascist government overthrown.
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Seems most Cubans are more arsed about the US blockade killing them:

"Cuban Patients Are Dying Because of U.S. Blockade, Doctors Say

Cuban health care was once the pride of the island. Now the U.S. oil blockade is upending even basic medical care."

www.nytimes.com

Cuban Patients Are Dying Because of U.S. Blockade, Doctors Say

Cuban health care was once the pride of the island. Now the U.S. oil blockade is upending even basic medical care.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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