nijinsky's fetlocks said:
markbmcfc said:
Some bizarre comments on here regarding CD. Not sure why one or two are so critical. He wants a mile, not 7f. He wants soft ground, not this sun baked stuff he rattled on today.
Any other horse people would say, ah just not his conditions, but because it's CD it suddenly becomes a lack of ability?
I take your point about not running him on this ground, but if you just want to get a run and fitness into the horse, then why not?
I was quite happy with that from the wrong draw, he stayed on until eased, ran better than most that were drawn low and was able to blow the cobwebs away.
Seems that, like with Junior, because I'm a connection the horses are looked at far more critically than any other. If what I post isn't welcome then just say so, I'll stop.
As for Collateral, wait til he is fit an the rain comes, he will speak for himself.
Absolute and utter drivel.
So you are saying that one of our most respected trainers would intentionally run a horse over the wrong fucking trip on ground he hates?
You were the one who said we shouldn't question the trainers integrity.
So which is it?
By any criteria,the horse ran like a drain.
So just stop hiding behind your 'wrong draw/blowing the cobwebs away bullshit and just admit that the horse is garbage.
I have refrained from giving my opinion on here,but it really is reality check time.
You always come up with some half baked excuse whenever your horse gets beat.
I have owned horses - not some bit part in a syndicate,but actually owned them,and when they got beat I bit the bullet and didn't rhyme off a list of pathetic excuses.
I would strongly advise that you stay away from pimping any future flops on here - if anyone is still daft enough to take your advice,then I suggest PM's.
I don't even know where to start with that, apart from you are an extremely bitter individual. Regardless of what you and your incredibly large ego think, you know fuck all about racing.
Before I get into your reponse, let me just say I post everything in good faith from what I am told, I add my own opinion and I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, no problem with that. For what it is worth, I don't own Collateral Damage and have no direct affiliation to him apart from I have horses with the same stable and syndicate. People have made money from things I have posted, people have lost money, you take the rough with the smooth.
Firstly, yes trainers run horses knowing the conditions are unsuitable, as long as its at no risk to the horse. Easterby, Fahey, Dandy have all done it and that's just three names ive had horses with. You can never replicate on the gallops what you can learn on the racecourse for one, fitness for another are two reasons why they do it. When a horse wants soft ground, what are you supposed to do, leave him going stale on the gallops whilst you wait for rain? Or give him a run to keep him ticking?
The rest of your post was just bollocks I'm afraid, if you think draw is an excuse. All the pace came down one side, the high numbered draw. Look at the results of the weekend at Donny. How many winners were drawn high and how many were drawn 1?
Onto my 'pathetic excuses'. He wins 7 races on the spin, develops a horrific injury where at one point putting him to sleep was a serious option, takes nearly a 12 month break, runs on firmer ground than anything he'd ever won on, is drawn in the car park in a 22 strong field and you find that a pathetic excuse?! It's fucking bread and butter simple common sense. I tell you what, rip half your throat out, plug your nostrils so you can't breathe and then run in a straight line against perfectly fit opponents, see if you can keep up.
Trip - he is clearly better over a mile. It is also common knowledge that a straight 7 furlong is faster than 7f on the round course. Strategy, he runs best when up with the pace tracking the leaders, he isn't a horse that will come off the pace. He was held up because the leaders were on the other rail and he had the full pack in his way. Absolutely everything that could have been unsuitable for him was there in abundance, sometimes that happens, you accept it and move on.
I'm sorry, but a horse that was 2nd in the 2009 handicapper of the year awards isn't garbage. He's had his problems a plenty, and he may well be a spent force, but if you think he is garbage, take a look at his form. He's a decent handicapper, nothing more. On his best form, he's very well handicapped, that's all I have said, these are facts, not opinion.
Now, I don't come on here to pimp fucking anything. I love racing and I like to talk about it, I post stuff I get from the stables. I don't want a medal if something wins, i get nothing out of it apart from I enjoy talking racing and 90% Of the enthusiasts on here have always been gracious whether they have won or lost. If people don't want to hear it, just say so, there's no need to act like a prick. You know, I was half tempted to tip Penitent on here today because we'd heard the hot fave wasn't fit, I even wrote the bloody post, and then thought I'd get crucified if he lost and CD did as well so I'd just take a watching brief. 13/2 winnings aren't as much fun on when you win alone and I'm sorry I didn't PM a select few.
Anyway, if theres anyone that does want to be kept up to speed then just drop me a PM, I wouldn't want to piss off the fucking horse racing thread police and put it in the horse racing thread.
I don't know what rattled your cage NF, I've always respected you on these forums, but what you just posted was absolutely ridiculous, and so bitter.
