Daunte Wright Killed by Minnesota Officer Following Traffic Stop

[BobKowalski]

do you think if you were that cop chasing the boy ( who he didn’t know was a boy ) down that entry at night he might have been genuinely scared and feared for his own personal safety and life, I’m 99.9% sure he would’ve have been

an analogy was used on this thread about cops training and KDB missing a penalty well if we also look at a huge reason why players who can usually put a ball on a dime my the target from 12 yards, it’s pressure, nerves and adrenaline. Now multiply that by a thousand of someone chasing someone with a gun, do you not think the human factor would apply massively in this situation where you’re dealing with milli seconds and life and death ?

I dealt with gas escape emergencies for 15 years and 95% I didn’t need to break sweat but the 5% that made your arse twitch you knew you were in a dangerous situation

the fact 95% were ok doesn’t mean I don’t have concerns about the 5% when they occur which I’m pretty sure would be the same for a cop chasing an armed criminal

When cops are shooting unarmed people dead, you have a problem. If the system continually strives to justify these shootings you will perpetuate the problem. When the public continually seek to excuse these shootings, there will be no pressure on the system to redress the problem.

The question is then are people happy to see cops gunning down unarmed people, because if they are, can they just say this, rather than equating it to gas emergencies? It will save a lot of time in the long run.

 

[bluemc1]

When cops are shooting unarmed people dead, you have a problem. If the system continually strives to justify these shootings you will perpetuate the problem. When the public continually seek to excuse these shootings, there will be no pressure on the system to redress the problem.

The question is then are people happy to see cops gunning down unarmed people, because if they are, can they just say this, rather than equating it to gas emergencies? It will save a lot of time in the long run.

if you think I was equating it to gas emergencies ( which I don’t think you do I just think you were trying to be smart ) you’re wrong

this boy WAS armed one second before he was shot and the cop didn’t know he was unarmed
I think he panicked as the boy turned quickly and fired

 

[bluemc1]

When cops are shooting unarmed people dead, you have a problem. If the system continually strives to justify these shootings you will perpetuate the problem. When the public continually seek to excuse these shootings, there will be no pressure on the system to redress the problem.

The question is then are people happy to see cops gunning down unarmed people, because if they are, can they just say this, rather than equating it to gas emergencies? It will save a lot of time in the long run.

also I will add when 13 year olds are running round the street with guns we also have a problem
And the fact these armed criminals shoot unarmed people at rates much much higher than cops do we’re jumping the gun on which problem we’re focusing on

 

[SWP's back]

also I will add when 13 year olds are running round the street with guns we also have a problem
And the fact these armed criminals shoot unarmed people at rates much much higher than cops do we’re jumping the gun on which problem we’re focusing on

Call me an old fashioned sentimentalist, but I’ve always thought that cops should shoot fewer unarmed people than criminals do. It’s rare that criminals state they are there to protect and serve the community.

 

[BobKowalski]

also I will add when 13 year olds are running round the street with guns we also have a problem
And the fact these armed criminals shoot unarmed people at rates much much higher than cops do we’re jumping the gun on which problem we’re focusing on

Astonishingly enough, I think we should hold people trained and paid to carry firearms to a higher standard than a dumb 13 year old kid.

Also, we tend not to have long convoluted threads attempting to justify or excuse an armed criminal shooting unarmed people dead. “Yeah, sorry about that, I thought I was pulling out my taser during the robbery and oops, my bad.”

There are laws, and plenty of them, that rightly deal with people who gun down unarmed people (well, unless they are called Kyle Rittenhouse, in which case we tuck them into bed at night and bring them biscuits and cocoa). These laws exist for good reason and wearing a uniform is not a carte blanche exemption from them. If you entrust and empower a group of people to carry firearms then you have to hold them to a high standard, otherwise it's just an armed mob.

 

[bluemc1]

Judging by the last 2 replies it seems you feel the cop deliberately murdered that kid knowing the kid was defenceless and posed the cop know risk so I understand why you feel so strongly because that would be terrible

it’s my opinion that we shouldn’t judge just how frightening and difficult that situation might be for the cop especially as non of us luckily have ever been in such a situation

 

[Bigga]

So there seems to be 3 possibilities 1. The cop is a murderer who enjoys shooting 13 year old boys.2. The cop was shit at his job or 3. that while chasing a known to be armed suspect down a dark entry he didn’t have the ability to see through fences that he’d tossed the gun and as he turned round had a milli second to decide to shoot or wait and hope he had and gamble he wasn’t going to be shot himself

I’d also say it’s doubtful the cop knew he was 13 and probably assumed he was about the same age as the man they already had on the ground

Aaand this is where we come to a point of disagreement.

Let me ask you and copper Bert one question; did the kid comply with instructions to stop running? And did he show his "fucking hands" when told to? Raised around ears, opened palmed were they not?

So, if you're a panicky cop, why give instructions of what to do when you're obvious intention is to shoot anyway, cos you're overflowing with adrenaline with the excitement of the chase...?

 

[bluemc1]

Aaand this is where we come to a point of disagreement.

Let me ask you and copper Bert one question; did the kid comply with instructions to stop running? And did he show his "fucking hands" when told to? Raised around ears, opened palmed were they not?

So, if you're a panicky cop, why give instructions of what to do when you're obvious intention is to shoot anyway, cos you're overflowing with adrenaline with the excitement of the chase...?

ive said I think he panicked as the kid turned quickly and shot, it was a split second decision in a frightening situation I assume non of us have ever been close too.
from the footage I’ve seen he sees the gun in the kids hand then the kid immediately turns and he shoots before the kids hands are even completely raised
Like I say it was a split second decision

It’s just my opinion he probably went to work that not night wanting to kill anybody but was put in an extremely difficult situation

 

[bluemc1]

 

[Bigga]

ive said I think he panicked as the kid turned quickly and shot, it was a split second decision in a frightening situation I assume non of us have ever been close too.
from the footage I’ve seen he sees the gun in the kids hand then the kid immediately turns and he shoots before the kids hands are even completely raised
Like I say it was a split second decision

It’s just my opinion he probably went to work that not night wanting to kill anybody but was put in an extremely difficult situation

So, you still don't seem to understand that the cop acted like he was in control of the situation. "Stop!", "Turn around!", "Put your fucking hands up!". All three instructions were complied with. The boy was also running away, so where's 'the threat'?

And if he saw the gun in a split second(highly highly doubtful in the dark), he saw the boy's hands were clear and not pointed in his direction (so you can't have it both ways).

So, that leaves us with the only conclusion of the cop being already in the mental state of shooting a 'gunman'.

Would you suggest that being premeditative...?

Because I would.