Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness benefit

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Dave's having a go at the obese, drug addicts and alcoholics who are claiming sickness benefits, but refusing help for their affliction. I suppose if they're refusing help, then maybe threatening to stop their benefits may make them take that help? I'm guessing some will be against it, but it will certainly get a lot of support.

From the BBC:

David Cameron has commissioned a health adviser to review whether people with obesity, alcohol or drug problems should have benefits cut if they refuse treatment to make them fit for work.

About 100,000 people with such long-term, yet treatable, conditions are claiming sickness benefits.

Prof Dame Carol Black will consider whether the welfare system fails to encourage them to get treatment.

The PM said it was unfair for workers to fund those who refuse such help.

"Some have drug or alcohol problems, but refuse treatment," Mr Cameron said.

"In other cases people have problems with their weight that could be addressed, but instead a life on benefits rather than work becomes the choice.

"It is not fair to ask hardworking taxpayers to fund the benefits of people who refuse to accept the support and treatment that could help them get back to a life of work."
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

malg said:
Dave's having a go at the obese, drug addicts and alcoholics who are claiming sickness benefits, but refusing help for their affliction. I suppose if they're refusing help, then maybe threatening to stop their benefits may make them take that help? I'm guessing some will be against it, but it will certainly get a lot of support.

From the BBC:

David Cameron has commissioned a health adviser to review whether people with obesity, alcohol or drug problems should have benefits cut if they refuse treatment to make them fit for work.

About 100,000 people with such long-term, yet treatable, conditions are claiming sickness benefits.

Prof Dame Carol Black will consider whether the welfare system fails to encourage them to get treatment.

The PM said it was unfair for workers to fund those who refuse such help.

"Some have drug or alcohol problems, but refuse treatment," Mr Cameron said.

"In other cases people have problems with their weight that could be addressed, but instead a life on benefits rather than work becomes the choice.

"It is not fair to ask hardworking taxpayers to fund the benefits of people who refuse to accept the support and treatment that could help them get back to a life of work."
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Quite right from the PM, the Keyword is "Refuse to seek treatment" not carte blanche on all Alcoholics, Obese and Drug takers. Why should we fund people who have no intention of working who would rather continue abusing themselves without wanting to get better and into work.... You lefties will obviously put a Labour slant on this !
 
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Just heard on the BBC that they will only have sanctions on their benefits if they refuse treatment on offer. I can only see this as a good thing, especially if they respond to the treatment. I suppose it will be seen as an attack on those on benefits again, but if the help is there I think it should be taken.
 
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There are countless reason people self-medicate with substances so to say it's 'self inflected' isn't really fair

As for 'refusing treatment' what does that mean exactly? Does going to AA constitute treatment or would a person need state treatment such as substitute medication or in the case of the obese gastric bands?

Taking so called benefits away from those addicted to drink/drugs will make no difference whatsoever - first of all they are generally skint and living in poor conditions as it or homeless so taking money away would be punative rather and second of all it will make no difference to country's coffers anyway

This is nothing more than picking on people who don't vote and is bound to pick up support
 
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remember arthur mann said:
The man's a clown, does he not realise due to his cuts there is no help available !
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I know of an alcohol clinic that is well staffed, but has enormous problems getting people to attend appointments. Probably doesn't help that the clinics are run at 2pm!

I suppose there are two views on this:

1. Dave's having a go at the vulnerable, and is being a ****. Why doesn't he go after HSBC and all the fucking tax avoiders.

2. Dave's only trying to be those afflicted by the ailments to get the help that is already there, and get them free of drugs, alcohol and McDonalds, and therefore back to work. Why should we be paying them to do fuck all when the help is there.

I personally think this is all about the General Election and trying to goad Ed into a taking a position, then Dave will come out and tell us how much this is costing the NHS, or how many GPs could be employed with the money saved etc, etc.
 
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People are missing the point of this.

The story isn't that there is a relatively small number of alchies, druggies and fat messes who also claim benefits. In any society, regardless of checks in the system, you will always get some.

The story and the point of this claim is the wider effect it has.

He and his party have run a, largely successful, campaign for the last 6 years to change the public perception of government spending and particularly benefits.

Comments like these are not particularly part of a "new policy initiative" and in two years time whatever he is banging on about implementing will probably have fallen away or not even have got off the ground as an individual piece of legislation.

No, comments like these are about manipulating the public narrative. They have been mostly successful in changing the public thought process to automatically associating the welfare system with scroungers and wasters. Everything that comes out of their mouth is designed to ensure that the general public do not see the welfare system as a safety net for the disadvantaged but as something that is abused by scumbags. In short, a waste of money that penalises them "the hard workers".

As this politically motivated stance is backed up by the majority of the press, media and influential right wing think tanks, it has worked a treat. People are watching working rights and victories won over centuries being eroded, whilst the average (working) person grows poorer and has less protection. All so those at the top, banks and multi nationals can benefit from such chances. And mostly, those who are being more disadvantaged, to benefit the top 5%, are cheering it along, thanks to this sort of campaigning. You have to admire it.
 
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jma said:
People are missing the point of this.

The story isn't that there is a relatively small number of alchies, druggies and fat messes who also claim benefits. In any society, regardless of checks in the system, you will always get some.

The story and the point of this claim is the wider effect it has.

He and his party have run a, largely successful, campaign for the last 6 years to change the public perception of government spending and particularly benefits.

Comments like these are not particularly part of a "new policy initiative" and in two years time whatever he is banging on about implementing will probably have fallen away or not even have got off the ground as an individual piece of legislation.

No, comments like these are about manipulating the public narrative. They have been mostly successful in changing the public thought process to automatically associating the welfare system with scroungers and wasters. Everything that comes out of their mouth is designed to ensure that the general public do not see the welfare system as a safety net for the disadvantaged but as something that is abused by scumbags. In short, a waste of money that penalises them "the hard workers".

As this politically motivated stance is backed up by the majority of the press, media and influential right wing think tanks, it has worked a treat. People are watching working rights and victories won over centuries being eroded, whilst the average (working) person grows poorer and has less protection. All so those at the top, banks and multi nationals can benefit from such chances. And mostly, those who are being more disadvantaged, to benefit the top 5%, are cheering it along, thanks to this sort of campaigning. You have to admire it.
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Utter, utter bollocks Ed.
 
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Johnsonontheleft said:
jma said:
People are missing the point of this.

The story isn't that there is a relatively small number of alchies, druggies and fat messes who also claim benefits. In any society, regardless of checks in the system, you will always get some.

The story and the point of this claim is the wider effect it has.

He and his party have run a, largely successful, campaign for the last 6 years to change the public perception of government spending and particularly benefits.

Comments like these are not particularly part of a "new policy initiative" and in two years time whatever he is banging on about implementing will probably have fallen away or not even have got off the ground as an individual piece of legislation.

No, comments like these are about manipulating the public narrative. They have been mostly successful in changing the public thought process to automatically associating the welfare system with scroungers and wasters. Everything that comes out of their mouth is designed to ensure that the general public do not see the welfare system as a safety net for the disadvantaged but as something that is abused by scumbags. In short, a waste of money that penalises them "the hard workers".

As this politically motivated stance is backed up by the majority of the press, media and influential right wing think tanks, it has worked a treat. People are watching working rights and victories won over centuries being eroded, whilst the average (working) person grows poorer and has less protection. All so those at the top, banks and multi nationals can benefit from such chances. And mostly, those who are being more disadvantaged, to benefit the top 5%, are cheering it along, thanks to this sort of campaigning. You have to admire it.
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Utter, utter bollocks Ed.
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I think there's some merit in it. It's not utter, utter bollocks.....!
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

It's all so fuckin' tiresome. Pre election propaganda, preaching largely to his own electorate and the misguided millions who will side with that other ex public schoolboy - Nigel Farage - thinking that he's one of their own.
The end result of this is people destitute on the streets and in hospital beds, then dead.
You have to decide what society to have.
I don't want Dave's - and I don't particularly want Ed's either. Or Nick's or Nigel's, as they are all too scared to do what's needed in order to fund systems which look after us all properly - for the NHS, care for ALL elderly and the physically and mentally sick; social services capable of preventing and detecting child abuse; education and health systems adequately funded and resourced with enough professionals to cope; prisons big enough to cope and contain the dross who threaten us - and face the fact that, in order for those systems to work, you have to build in excess so that no one is neglected. And more than anything, someone needs to say that, in order to achieve this, it is going to cost us.
I want a society where we look after each other and, if that costs us, so be it. I want a society where the rule of law prevails, but that can't happen when only the rich have access to the legal system (lawyer speaking - wait till you need the law, then see how much it costs you. No legal aid nowadays and, it having been abolished so that you could all go "No win no fee", you'll find that there's barely any no win no fee anymore either.)
We should all pay more to get the best, safest society we can, and just realise that it doesn't come cheap.
I am sick and tired of hearing about cuts and costs.
Why do we have repeated failures in hospitals? Why are they unable to cope at times of strain? Why are there repeated child abuse cases which go uncovered and unattended to? Why are lessons never learned? Why do have places - Rotherham/Rochdale - where child abuse has gone on for years, undetected, on an industrialised scale? Why will the politicians not address these issues? These are disgusting stains on our society and if you are a politician and these things are happening on your watch, you should be ashamed.
Instead, we have talk of cuts, limiting immigration, and ridiculously leaving the EU, with no regard for the reality that ANY cuts will make our society even worse than it already is, and that leaving the EU is the last thing that big business wants, and will most probably ruin our economy. Little businessmen and little Englanders might want us out of the EU, but that isn't based on any kind of proper consideration of the reality of what will actually happen to our economy on the day after the great unwashed tick the "OUT" box, because of the propaganda we are currently being brainwashed by. The value of the pound will tumble and we will be in the biggest crisis ever
And another thing, while I'm ranting - has it registered with anyone that, in the recent talks on the Ukraine crisis, who was involved? Merkel, Alande, and Putin. No Cameron. He has excluded himself and is an irrelevance internationally; boxing himself into a corner due to his fake hostility to the EU - which he thinks he has to maintain because of the extreme right wing of his party, and his fear of UKIP. It is a mark of how far our international standing has fallen under successive governments. It is a sign of persistent political failure by Conservative and Labour. We have no international influence. Merkel is "The Man!"
So, lets cut, cut, cut - but reduce taxes, so that there's less in the pot to pay for what we need. Keep your foot on the throat of the fat, workshy alcoholics - that will save us millions won't it. But we can carry on investing billions on HS2 and trident - absolutely billions - just to keep up the appearance of the UK having any relevance on the international scene. Ignore the tax dodgers - that will all blow over soon.
Anyway - up the blues!
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Great post TBP.

It's like a fucking soap opera.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

There are multiple and deep reasons for being an addict, be that drugs, food or alcohol
The NHS can't deal with it as he well knows.This is about taking welfare off as many people he can to save money.He doesn't give a single shit about anyone in need
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

I've got a disabled relative who is only 20 and will never be able to work or support himself, and he'll need constant care for the rest of his life.

It's hard enough for his parents to get sufficient state help for his needs and they have constant battles with the social services, the DWP and the NHS just to keep the help he already gets.

I certainly don't want any taxpayers money wasted on benefits for people who can't work because they are too fat or too drunk.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

urmston said:
I've got a disabled relative who is only 20 and will never be able to work or support himself, and he'll need constant care for the rest of his life.

It's hard enough for his parents to get sufficient state help for his needs and they have constant battles with the social services, the DWP and the NHS just to keep the help he already gets.

I certainly don't want any taxpayers money wasted on benefits for people who can't work because they are too fat or too drunk.
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I used to work in Welfare to Work. I got into it after 10+ years working with unemployed young people (16-25). Over the years I have been part of various government drives to get people off benefits (New Deal/Flexible New Deal, The Work Programme, Pathways, etc.), working on the frontline for several private sector companies.

The treatment from these companies and the DWP of disabled people, the homeless, those who are unable to work through illness and other vulnerable people who are not swinging the lead is shocking.

Yes there is a hardcore group of benefits claimants who could and should be in work but in my experience the system is shit scared of them, it never confronts these types of people through fear of abuse/violence/repercussions and they end up slipping through the net, rolling from one unemployment scheme to another. They have a multitude of complex issues both personally and socially and they are never deemed "job ready" by the system so they never get put in front of an employer. They tend to bring bad vibes to the premises when they attend appointments etc. so the management instruct you to get them in and out of the office as quickly as possible. If you do confront them and play a bit of hardball, the system doesn't back you up, it simply doesn't have the appetite for the fight. If you impose a "sanction" on their benefits, the DWP usually overturn your decision and you look like the bad guy causing further barriers.

Then you have those who are referred who are workers who find themselves in between jobs. They will find employment themselves with little to no intervention in most cases. I used to joke we could shut our programme down for a month and still hit our targets for "gone into employment" on the strength of this group alone. Private sector companies make enough of a pretty penny from this group, you would baulk at the monetary value of the unemployed. Paid for referrals, paid to sign clients up for patronising "online courses", paid for any blanket "training courses" clients attend (usually mandatory, mostly useless) which if linked to a basic pre entry level qualification they get paid for that too. Oh and of course they are paid for those who go into work and stay there for usually 26 weeks (others 13 weeks) as well as payments for further "milestones".

I used to love helping those who needed and wanted a bit of help, there used to be funds to spend on removing barriers to employment, help for business start up, referrals to drug and alcohol services, mental health and other external agencies and it used to work. Somewhere along the line the focus switched to seeing the unemployed as a commodity. I have attended the meetings where the real truth comes out about this system, they couldn't care less. It is a pyramid of fear from those who have "won" the contracts to run the schemes at the top, down through the staff (who prop the system up through their exceptional skill of keeping the clients and more difficultly the company happy) right down to the vulnerable at the bottom. Often bypassing the lazy and work-shy lead swingers.

Needless to say that's why I jacked it in......
I do miss it though.

urmston, I hope your relative gets the support to navigate the system safely :-)

I'm going for a shower!
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

the blue panther said:
It's all so fuckin' tiresome. Pre election propaganda, preaching largely to his own electorate and the misguided millions who will side with that other ex public schoolboy - Nigel Farage - thinking that he's one of their own.
The end result of this is people destitute on the streets and in hospital beds, then dead.
You have to decide what society to have.
I don't want Dave's - and I don't particularly want Ed's either. Or Nick's or Nigel's, as they are all too scared to do what's needed in order to fund systems which look after us all properly - for the NHS, care for ALL elderly and the physically and mentally sick; social services capable of preventing and detecting child abuse; education and health systems adequately funded and resourced with enough professionals to cope; prisons big enough to cope and contain the dross who threaten us - and face the fact that, in order for those systems to work, you have to build in excess so that no one is neglected. And more than anything, someone needs to say that, in order to achieve this, it is going to cost us.
I want a society where we look after each other and, if that costs us, so be it. I want a society where the rule of law prevails, but that can't happen when only the rich have access to the legal system (lawyer speaking - wait till you need the law, then see how much it costs you. No legal aid nowadays and, it having been abolished so that you could all go "No win no fee", you'll find that there's barely any no win no fee anymore either.)
We should all pay more to get the best, safest society we can, and just realise that it doesn't come cheap.
I am sick and tired of hearing about cuts and costs.
Why do we have repeated failures in hospitals? Why are they unable to cope at times of strain? Why are there repeated child abuse cases which go uncovered and unattended to? Why are lessons never learned? Why do have places - Rotherham/Rochdale - where child abuse has gone on for years, undetected, on an industrialised scale? Why will the politicians not address these issues? These are disgusting stains on our society and if you are a politician and these things are happening on your watch, you should be ashamed.
Instead, we have talk of cuts, limiting immigration, and ridiculously leaving the EU, with no regard for the reality that ANY cuts will make our society even worse than it already is, and that leaving the EU is the last thing that big business wants, and will most probably ruin our economy. Little businessmen and little Englanders might want us out of the EU, but that isn't based on any kind of proper consideration of the reality of what will actually happen to our economy on the day after the great unwashed tick the "OUT" box, because of the propaganda we are currently being brainwashed by. The value of the pound will tumble and we will be in the biggest crisis ever
And another thing, while I'm ranting - has it registered with anyone that, in the recent talks on the Ukraine crisis, who was involved? Merkel, Alande, and Putin. No Cameron. He has excluded himself and is an irrelevance internationally; boxing himself into a corner due to his fake hostility to the EU - which he thinks he has to maintain because of the extreme right wing of his party, and his fear of UKIP. It is a mark of how far our international standing has fallen under successive governments. It is a sign of persistent political failure by Conservative and Labour. We have no international influence. Merkel is "The Man!"
So, lets cut, cut, cut - but reduce taxes, so that there's less in the pot to pay for what we need. Keep your foot on the throat of the fat, workshy alcoholics - that will save us millions won't it. But we can carry on investing billions on HS2 and trident - absolutely billions - just to keep up the appearance of the UK having any relevance on the international scene. Ignore the tax dodgers - that will all blow over soon.
Anyway - up the blues!
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Thank you. A voice of reason and decency in a sea of "I'm alright Jack" hatred.

I salute you.
 
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ArdwickBlue said:
urmston said:
I've got a disabled relative who is only 20 and will never be able to work or support himself, and he'll need constant care for the rest of his life.

It's hard enough for his parents to get sufficient state help for his needs and they have constant battles with the social services, the DWP and the NHS just to keep the help he already gets.

I certainly don't want any taxpayers money wasted on benefits for people who can't work because they are too fat or too drunk.
Click to expand...

I used to work in Welfare to Work. I got into it after 10+ years working with unemployed young people (16-25). Over the years I have been part of various government drives to get people off benefits (New Deal/Flexible New Deal, The Work Programme, Pathways, etc.), working on the frontline for several private sector companies.

The treatment from these companies and the DWP of disabled people, the homeless, those who are unable to work through illness and other vulnerable people who are not swinging the lead is shocking.

Yes there is a hardcore group of benefits claimants who could and should be in work but in my experience the system is shit scared of them, it never confronts these types of people through fear of abuse/violence/repercussions and they end up slipping through the net, rolling from one unemployment scheme to another. They have a multitude of complex issues both personally and socially and they are never deemed "job ready" by the system so they never get put in front of an employer. They tend to bring bad vibes to the premises when they attend appointments etc. so the management instruct you to get them in and out of the office as quickly as possible. If you do confront them and play a bit of hardball, the system doesn't back you up, it simply doesn't have the appetite for the fight. If you impose a "sanction" on their benefits, the DWP usually overturn your decision and you look like the bad guy causing further barriers.

Then you have those who are referred who are workers who find themselves in between jobs. They will find employment themselves with little to no intervention in most cases. I used to joke we could shut our programme down for a month and still hit our targets for "gone into employment" on the strength of this group alone. Private sector companies make enough of a pretty penny from this group, you would baulk at the monetary value of the unemployed. Paid for referrals, paid to sign clients up for patronising "online courses", paid for any blanket "training courses" clients attend (usually mandatory, mostly useless) which if linked to a basic pre entry level qualification they get paid for that too. Oh and of course they are paid for those who go into work and stay there for usually 26 weeks (others 13 weeks) as well as payments for further "milestones".

I used to love helping those who needed and wanted a bit of help, there used to be funds to spend on removing barriers to employment, help for business start up, referrals to drug and alcohol services, mental health and other external agencies and it used to work. Somewhere along the line the focus switched to seeing the unemployed as a commodity. I have attended the meetings where the real truth comes out about this system, they couldn't care less. It is a pyramid of fear from those who have "won" the contracts to run the schemes at the top, down through the staff (who prop the system up through their exceptional skill of keeping the clients and more difficultly the company happy) right down to the vulnerable at the bottom. Often bypassing the lazy and work-shy lead swingers.

Needless to say that's why I jacked it in......
I do miss it though.

urmston, I hope your relative gets the support to navigate the system safely :-)

I'm going for a shower!
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And I salute you too.

And the same best wishes to Urmston and his relative.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

the blue panther said:
It's all so fuckin' tiresome. Pre election propaganda, preaching largely to his own electorate and the misguided millions who will side with that other ex public schoolboy - Nigel Farage - thinking that he's one of their own.
The end result of this is people destitute on the streets and in hospital beds, then dead.
You have to decide what society to have.
I don't want Dave's - and I don't particularly want Ed's either. Or Nick's or Nigel's, as they are all too scared to do what's needed in order to fund systems which look after us all properly - for the NHS, care for ALL elderly and the physically and mentally sick; social services capable of preventing and detecting child abuse; education and health systems adequately funded and resourced with enough professionals to cope; prisons big enough to cope and contain the dross who threaten us - and face the fact that, in order for those systems to work, you have to build in excess so that no one is neglected. And more than anything, someone needs to say that, in order to achieve this, it is going to cost us.
I want a society where we look after each other and, if that costs us, so be it. I want a society where the rule of law prevails, but that can't happen when only the rich have access to the legal system (lawyer speaking - wait till you need the law, then see how much it costs you. No legal aid nowadays and, it having been abolished so that you could all go "No win no fee", you'll find that there's barely any no win no fee anymore either.)
We should all pay more to get the best, safest society we can, and just realise that it doesn't come cheap.
I am sick and tired of hearing about cuts and costs.
Why do we have repeated failures in hospitals? Why are they unable to cope at times of strain? Why are there repeated child abuse cases which go uncovered and unattended to? Why are lessons never learned? Why do have places - Rotherham/Rochdale - where child abuse has gone on for years, undetected, on an industrialised scale? Why will the politicians not address these issues? These are disgusting stains on our society and if you are a politician and these things are happening on your watch, you should be ashamed.
Instead, we have talk of cuts, limiting immigration, and ridiculously leaving the EU, with no regard for the reality that ANY cuts will make our society even worse than it already is, and that leaving the EU is the last thing that big business wants, and will most probably ruin our economy. Little businessmen and little Englanders might want us out of the EU, but that isn't based on any kind of proper consideration of the reality of what will actually happen to our economy on the day after the great unwashed tick the "OUT" box, because of the propaganda we are currently being brainwashed by. The value of the pound will tumble and we will be in the biggest crisis ever
And another thing, while I'm ranting - has it registered with anyone that, in the recent talks on the Ukraine crisis, who was involved? Merkel, Alande, and Putin. No Cameron. He has excluded himself and is an irrelevance internationally; boxing himself into a corner due to his fake hostility to the EU - which he thinks he has to maintain because of the extreme right wing of his party, and his fear of UKIP. It is a mark of how far our international standing has fallen under successive governments. It is a sign of persistent political failure by Conservative and Labour. We have no international influence. Merkel is "The Man!"
So, lets cut, cut, cut - but reduce taxes, so that there's less in the pot to pay for what we need. Keep your foot on the throat of the fat, workshy alcoholics - that will save us millions won't it. But we can carry on investing billions on HS2 and trident - absolutely billions - just to keep up the appearance of the UK having any relevance on the international scene. Ignore the tax dodgers - that will all blow over soon.
Anyway - up the blues!
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The best post i have read on here for months

An little bit of sanity amongst the usual far right drivel BM is now becoming famous for.
 
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This has got to be terrible news for Rascal, but on a more cheery note it takes the heat off tory party donors who were probably worried about their tax arrangements coming under scrutiny. Rascal has got to be due a break though - first they reduce wife beater to under 5%abv, and now this. I'm guessing he'll not be voting conservative next time.
 
Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

karen7 said:
There are multiple and deep reasons for being an addict, be that drugs, food or alcohol
The NHS can't deal with it as he well knows.This is about taking welfare off as many people he can to save money.He doesn't give a single shit about anyone in need
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Nail on the head. Once again targeting people who can't stick up for themselves. Here's an idea Dave instead of doing this and perhaps saving a few million if you're lucky you go after your tax avoiding mates that are costing this country billions? Nah you're right lets just go find an addict and steal the change from his pockets instead. How the fuck does this **** sleep at night.
 
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