David Coote

[cheekybids]

Riley only got that role when he had to be moved from refereeing duties. Keith Hackett was his predecessor and he was shoved aside against his will to accommodate Riley. Also around the same time, Styles & Bennett left and there was the Clattenburg saga.

I'm told that was the result of certain 'disclosures' but anyone who saw Clattenburg's performance in that infamous Merseyside derby, as well as Riley's in the united v Arsenal game, surely can't be in any doubt that corruption was involved.

Did you say PGMOL turned up at a fans forum in 2012 & were sworn to secrecy? It’s 12 years now, is it ok to tell us? (Apologies in advance if I’m wrong)

 

[cheekybids]

It was corrupt to the core. Rooney should've been outed for his blatant cheating that night but he was England's golden boy.
Arsenal weren't allowed to win that game. They could've found the back of the net 10 times and Riley would have found a reason to disallow every one of them.

& the pundits are fucking knee deep telling the brain dead it’s all fair.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Did you say PGMOL turned up at a fans forum in 2012 & were sworn to secrecy? It’s 12 years now, is it ok to tell us? (Apologies in advance if I’m wrong)

We were sworn to secrecy beforehand but I've written about it since. Riley was a really nice guy but his powers of critical thinking weren't desperately impressive.

For one thing, he talked about allocating refs to games and how they tried to avoid any conflicts of interest. He tried to illustrate that using the example of Lee Mason, who had declared himself as a Bolton fan (although he was 100% a united fan). Then someone pointed out that Mason had reffed a game at Old Trafford where the rags were playing QPR (and where Mason made a shocker of a decision in awarding a penalty to united which involved both an offside and a dive). As Bolton & QPR were in a relegation battle, how could that not be a very obvious conflict of interest? You could see from Riley's expression that this had never occurred to him.

The other thing was me asking a question about the then-rule over DOCGSO, which was an automatic red card, even if it resulted in a penalty. In the OT incident I described above, QPR's Sean Derry was sent off (even though he was entirely innocent). Whether he was innocent or not, the point I made was that the penalty restored the goal-scoring opportunity whereas a red card would be appropriate if the incident occurred outside the area, such as when Ronald Koeman fouled David Platt in the 1994 World Cup qualifier. Or if the foul in the area warranted a red card in itself.

Riley replied that PGMOL had talked about that but they'd decided that if players knew they wouldn't get a red card for a foul in the area, they'd wait until the opposing player was in the box. We all laughed and he looked puzzled until it was pointed out that the ref could give a penalty if the foul was in the box.

The collective level of intelligence at PGMOL didn't strike me as being particularly high.

 

[BigJoe#1]

We were sworn to secrecy beforehand but I've written about it since. Riley was a really nice guy but his powers of critical thinking weren't desperately impressive.

For one thing, he talked about allocating refs to games and how they tried to avoid any conflicts of interest. He tried to illustrate that using the example of Lee Mason, who had declared himself as a Bolton fan (although he was 100% a united fan). Then someone pointed out that Mason had reffed a game at Old Trafford where the rags were playing QPR (and where Mason made a shocker of a decision in awarding a penalty to united which involved both an offside and a dive). As Bolton & QPR were in a relegation battle, how could that not be a very obvious conflict of interest? You could see from Riley's expression that this had never occurred to him.

The other thing was me asking a question about the then-rule over DOCGSO, which was an automatic red card, even if it resulted in a penalty. In the OT incident I described above, QPR's Sean Derry was sent off (even though he was entirely innocent). Whether he was innocent or not, the point I made was that the penalty restored the goal-scoring opportunity whereas a red card would be appropriate if the incident occurred outside the area, such as when Ronald Koeman fouled David Platt in the 1994 World Cup qualifier. Or if the foul in the area warranted a red card in itself.

Riley replied that PGMOL had talked about that but they'd decided that if players knew they wouldn't get a red card for a foul in the area, they'd wait until the opposing player was in the box. We all laughed and he looked puzzled until it was pointed out that the ref could give a penalty if the foul was in the box.

The collective level of intelligence at PGMOL didn't strike me as being particularly high.

I personally knew and worked with the linesman involved in that incident. Ceri Richards a nice guy, he never run the line in a Premier League game again.

He never ever, not once called a mistake by a Premiership referee to me. Always had an explanation.... an extreme Dermot Gallagher.

 

[richardtheref]

We were sworn to secrecy beforehand but I've written about it since. Riley was a really nice guy but his powers of critical thinking weren't desperately impressive.

For one thing, he talked about allocating refs to games and how they tried to avoid any conflicts of interest. He tried to illustrate that using the example of Lee Mason, who had declared himself as a Bolton fan (although he was 100% a united fan). Then someone pointed out that Mason had reffed a game at Old Trafford where the rags were playing QPR (and where Mason mad

e a shocker of a decision in awarding a penalty to united which involved both an offside and a dive). As Bolton & QPR were in a relegation battle, how could that not be a very obvious conflict of interest? You could see from Riley's expression that this had never occurred to him.

The other thing was me asking a question about the then-rule over DOCGSO, which was an automatic red card, even if it resulted in a penalty. In the OT incident I described above, QPR's Sean Derry was sent off (even though he was entirely innocent). Whether he was innocent or not, the point I made was that the penalty restored the goal-scoring opportunity whereas a red card would be appropriate if the incident occurred outside the area, such as when Ronald Koeman fouled David Platt in the 1994 World Cup qualifier. Or if the foul in the area warranted a red card in itself.

Riley replied that PGMOL had talked about that but they'd decided that if players knew they wouldn't get a red card for a foul in the area, they'd wait until the opposing player was in the box. We all laughed and he looked puzzled until it was pointed out that the ref could give a penalty if the foul was in the box.

The collective level of intelligence at PGMOL didn't strike me as being particularly high.

I went to a refs meeting once when Riley was the guest speaker and I concur with all of the above. Came across as being wet.
Went to a similar meeting with Webb and, at least, he came across a lot better. However, he now seems to tow the party line.
Hackett when he attended was a pompous knob lwith a huge chip on his shoulder.
Lee Mason came to try and give a talk to inspire young refs. He did anything but and then charged the RA £300.
Kevin Friend came the night before he was due to ref a newcastle game and had at least 8 pints which I would assume is not best practice. His advice was to always carry eye drops so as not to appear hung over

 

[Newman Noggs]

We were sworn to secrecy beforehand but I've written about it since. Riley was a really nice guy but his powers of critical thinking weren't desperately impressive.

For one thing, he talked about allocating refs to games and how they tried to avoid any conflicts of interest. He tried to illustrate that using the example of Lee Mason, who had declared himself as a Bolton fan (although he was 100% a united fan). Then someone pointed out that Mason had reffed a game at Old Trafford where the rags were playing QPR (and where Mason made a shocker of a decision in awarding a penalty to united which involved both an offside and a dive). As Bolton & QPR were in a relegation battle, how could that not be a very obvious conflict of interest? You could see from Riley's expression that this had never occurred to him.

The other thing was me asking a question about the then-rule over DOCGSO, which was an automatic red card, even if it resulted in a penalty. In the OT incident I described above, QPR's Sean Derry was sent off (even though he was entirely innocent). Whether he was innocent or not, the point I made was that the penalty restored the goal-scoring opportunity whereas a red card would be appropriate if the incident occurred outside the area, such as when Ronald Koeman fouled David Platt in the 1994 World Cup qualifier. Or if the foul in the area warranted a red card in itself.

Riley replied that PGMOL had talked about that but they'd decided that if players knew they wouldn't get a red card for a foul in the area, they'd wait until the opposing player was in the box. We all laughed and he looked puzzled until it was pointed out that the ref could give a penalty if the foul was in the box.

The collective level of intelligence at PGMOL didn't strike me as being particularly high.

The thing that stuck in my mind at that meeting was that he used two examples of how different people have different opinions on the same incident. Both involved City, one of which was Vinnie getting sent off against united for an innocuous challenge. I can't recall the other one but what stayed with me is that both contentious calls went against City.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Mate, you're (IMHO) 100% correct.
Organised football has always been simply entertainment for the great unwashed.
Marketing? Demand? Popularity? Success? Capitalism?

It's inevitably now been effected by outside factors and morphed into (at least in the heady echelons of the Premier League) absolutely HUGE business. But it's effectively showbusiness.

It's organised, dramatized entertainment, of this I'm certain.

 

[Blue Mist]

I went to a refs meeting once when Riley was the guest speaker and I concur with all of the above. Came across as being wet.
Went to a similar meeting with Webb and, at least, he came across a lot better. However, he now seems to tow the party line.
Hackett when he attended was a pompous knob lwith a huge chip on his shoulder.
Lee Mason came to try and give a talk to inspire young refs. He did anything but and then charged the RA £300.
Kevin Friend came the night before he was due to ref a newcastle game and had at least 8 pints which I would assume is not best practice. His advice was to always carry eye drops so as not to appear hung over

Eye drops so as not to appear hung over and a hanky to make it appear that you have a cold...... after you've done 4 grams of Bolivias finest ?

 

[jimharri]

..... The collective level of intelligence at PGMOL didn't strike me as being particularly high.

Referees not being the sharpest knives in the kitchen drawer? You can't begin to imagine my surprise.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Whatever happens to him hope he looks after himself, this could all go very wrong for him and maybe rightly so but not to the extent where he may think enough is enough if you know what I mean.