dont you have to call them cis women now just in case, its easier to just ignore everyone at this point because breathing to loudly will offend someone
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DC United staff member sacked for making hand gesture
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I do understand your point about offence - and I mentioned earlier in this thread about a British athlete being singled out on Twitter for making the gesture, when it clearly has a different meaning. Plenty of people are quick to take offence and social media makes that far too easy.I think all this is just a massive lack of education and desperation to not offend anyone, just because you dont like something or dont agree with it does not mean it should not exist, as ricky gervais said how arrogant do you have to be to go through life thinking that nothing should offend you.
Being offended is quite simply subjective and has everything to do with you as a person or a collective, so this guy has lost his job because he threw up that sign which some people apparently no find offensive, well i dont find it offensive and im offended that he lost his job because of it, is he going to get his job back, why is what they're offended by more important than what im offended by, thats the question that needs to be asked
But, this story isn't the same. The ok sign, despite starting as a joke, is definitely used as a symbol of white power. We don't know all the details, but if the story is correct, that he deliberately made a racist gesture, in photos taken as part of his work, then it's not exactly a surprise that he was sacked.
And i think therein lies the problem, so many are offended by such innocuous things that it becomes a point where everyone is offended and everybody is at risk or everything gets ignored, there has to be a reasonable middle ground, if this guy has been proven that he is making the gesture to be deliberately offensive then no question he should be sacked, but how do you prove that?I do understand your point about offence - and I mentioned earlier in this thread about a British athlete being singled out on Twitter for making the gesture, when it clearly has a different meaning. Plenty of people are quick to take offence and social media makes that far too easy.
But, this story isn't the same. The ok sign, despite starting as a joke, is definitely used as a symbol of white power. We don't know all the details, but if the story is correct, that he deliberately made a racist gesture, in photos taken as part of his work, then it's not exactly a surprise that he was sacked.
Again - it's two issues. Social media allows offence to be amplified, when either none is intended, or it's a legitimate difference of opinion, and I agree that we need to step back there.And i think therein lies the problem, so many are offended by such innocuous things that it becomes a point where everyone is offended and everybody is at risk or everything gets ignored, there has to be a reasonable middle ground, if this guy has been proven that he is making the gesture to be deliberately offensive then no question he should be sacked, but how do you prove that?
With this incident, *we* don't know all the details. If the guy is going to come out and say he had no idea, then he should probably get a lawyer and defend himself. Why, when someone is sacked, and we know scant details, should we assume that it's all been a big mistake or he's a victim of the offence industry? This is a multi-million dollar organisation, one who operate in the public eye, and who are more than likely to have legal/HR/PR teams that decide on these issues.
I'm not going to get offended about someone being sacked when I don't know the details.
Im not offended that he has been sacked, it was just an example to point out why someone elses offence is more important than someone elses was allAgain - it's two issues. Social media allows offence to be amplified, when either none is intended, or it's a legitimate difference of opinion, and I agree that we need to step back there.
With this incident, *we* don't know all the details. If the guy is going to come out and say he had no idea, then he should probably get a lawyer and defend himself. Why, when someone is sacked, and we know scant details, should we assume that it's all been a big mistake or he's a victim of the offence industry? This is a multi-million dollar organisation, one who operate in the public eye, and who are more than likely to have legal/HR/PR teams that decide on these issues.
I'm not going to get offended about someone being sacked when I don't know the details.
Sorry, I thought when you said "im offended that he lost his job because of it", it was you talking, rather than a hypothetical argument, but I see it can be read that way as well.Im not offended that he has been sacked, it was just an example to point out why someone elses offence is more important than someone elses was all
Ultimately it comes down to the details of the case, which we don't know.
Absolutely and if he chooses to defend it, it will be incredible hard to prove on the organisations part and then they have left themselves open to a world of problems which was sort of my point that its going to one of two ways where everything is an offence and everyone is taken notice of and everyone is at risk or everyone gets ignored , im not sure which is worseSorry, I thought when you said "im offended that he lost his job because of it", it was you talking, rather than a hypothetical argument, but I see it can be read that way as well.
Ultimately it comes down to the details of the case, which we don't know.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Someone might want to have a word with Andy's Man Club...In recent years, it has also been used by white supremacists to symbolise white power.
Kippax Street 1880
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Getting more and more ridiculous by the day this world we live in
People have registered and implied that the 70's weren't that good or simple and that you shouldn't refer to them as such.
The new world order is upon us and your opinion means nothing if it doesn't fall into line with the group think, they will eat themselves soon mate.
Oh how the heart longs for the simple times of the 70s. Life was just better wasn't it?
National Front on the march beating up black and asian people. Violence in the terraces. The Three Degrees and co getting monkey noises from the stands. Southall riots.
IRA blowing things up every other week. Bloody Sunday, Mountbatten etc. hundreds dead, thousands wounded.
The Oil crisis, 3 day week, rolling blackouts, miners' strikes. Enoch Powell the conservative party's poster boy.
Vietnam, Yom Kippur war, Iranian revolution, Soviet Russia.
If you ask me this country started going downhill when they passed the Equal Pay Act in 1970. Women earning the same as men for the same job? We just couldn't come back from that.
There was nothing complicated like LGBT pride or gay marriage.
Things were just so simple back then, it's definitely not got anything to do with rose tinted glasses looking back at your youth. If only we could somehow get back to those times.