Deal agreed with Bayern Munich for Leroy Sane - €60m (including add-ons)

[tolmie's hairdoo]

You build loyalty by treating people well, not scaring them.

I agree with pulling the plug on the Sanchez deal, that's mutual loyalty, the club showing players like De Bruyne, Aguero, Silva and Sterling that we value them and their hard work more than someone coming in and having proved nothing. That's again how you build loyalty.

I think you are still missing my overall point mate?

Players always do what is best for them, not their clubs.

If Sane is able to achieve his objective through his methods, then it also sends a message to other players that they can do likewise as the club have already had their pants pulled down before.

Of course you build loyalty through relationships, but that relationship suddenly because more one-sided if the player wants to run down their contract or wants out at the first missed opportunity to play in the Champions League.

 

[ctid1894]

I think players often feel that they can dictate when the come and go. I guess in a way I'm reacting to your earlier point "You build loyalty by treating people well, not by scaring them".

The flip side of that is that if you treat someone well, and then they take the piss, then you are entitled to play hardball. Telling Leroy that he won't be sold to Bayern because they have dragged this out in public and have tried to drive the price of the transfer down, sends a message right through the squad. And not at all a bad one in my opinion.

That's lowering yourself to their standard.

Put it into another scenario. If a man/woman cheats on you, you don't go and cheat on them to hurt them, you just walk away and let your family & friends see who has more loyalty and integrity. If you behave like a ****, everyone else will think you're just as big a **** as them and they'd be quite right too.

Loyalty, trust and respect is built by being the better person/club in all situations, good and bad, not just ones when it suits you.

 

[ctid1894]

I think you are still missing my overall point mate?

Players always do what is best for them, not their clubs.

If Sane is able to achieve his objective through his methods, then it also sends a message to other players that they can do likewise as the club have already had their pants pulled down before.

Of course you build loyalty through relationships, but that relationship suddenly because more one-sided if the player wants to run down their contract or wants out at the first missed opportunity to play in the Champions League.

No, I fully understand your point, I just disagree. This isn't about Sane and Bayern, it's about City's long term future and showing the players who are here that we'll treat them respectfully even if they do want to leave.

That creates an open and honest culture, players can then come and tell the club if they want to leave, so we can help them. Most people aren't ****s, just because one or two are that shouldn't affect your treatment of everyone else. Most people/players will want to do good by the club as well as leave, very few actually want to leave on bad terms. If the odd one still wants to behave like a ****, they're best out of the club as quickly as possible so they can't affect the overall morale, even if that means taking a short term financial hit to a degree (by accepting a slightly lower fee than you usually would, not allowing someone to leave on a free transfer or something silly).

 

[chesterbells]

That's lowering yourself to their standard.

Put it into another scenario. If a man/woman cheats on you, you don't go and cheat on them to hurt them, you just walk away and let your family & friends see who has more loyalty and integrity. If you behave like a ****, everyone else will think you're just as big a **** as them and they'd be quite right too.

Loyalty, trust and respect is built by being the better person/club in all situations, good and bad, not just ones when it suits you.

Imho that’s a poor comparison to illustrate the point - unless a person is gonna act like that as a show to every other potential suitor out there, and in your example they aren’t doing that.
You aren’t addressing the need to set an example to the rest of the squad, to create the right culture inside the club.

 

[ctid1894]

Imho that’s a poor comparison to illustrate the point - unless a person is gonna act like that as a show to every other potential suitor out there, and in your example they aren’t doing that.
You aren’t addressing the need to set an example to the rest of the squad, to create the right culture inside the club.

You're leading by example by simply behaving with integrity, it's not complicated.

 

[Sir peace frog]

anyone who says sane isn't good enough for city, hasn't got a clue, he can destroy packed defences, hes brilliant on the counter and his goals and assists are up there were we want them to be , I get people are disappointed that he wants away, but to then suggest he isn't good enough anyway seems a bit desperate.

I hope he signs a new contract, i don't think he will, and when or if he leaves ill wish him the best of bad luck with his new team.(results, not injury)

 

[g180aj]

I think you are still missing my overall point mate?

Players always do what is best for them, not their clubs.

If Sane is able to achieve his objective through his methods, then it also sends a message to other players that they can do likewise as the club have already had their pants pulled down before.

Of course you build loyalty through relationships, but that relationship suddenly because more one-sided if the player wants to run down their contract or wants out at the first missed opportunity to play in the Champions League.

Fully agree, I hate those people who go for interviews and getting a new job, hand in there notice just to get a pay rise instead of working hard and earning one.

 

[chesterbells]

You're leading by example by simply behaving with integrity, it's not complicated.

But “everyone else”, ie every potential future partner out there, wouldn’t know you’d been cheated on.

I understand the point you’re making about City, but to compare it to how an individual might behave after the being the victim of infidelity is a really poor comparison. I think you’re complicating it by trying to use that example.

 

[nmc]

If Leroy's agent has any sense he will now run down his contract , less than 12 months left and he could get a eight figure sigining on fee next summer , its only another six months and he will be able to talk to other clubs , similar to Milner i think he will string us along and leave on a free transfer.

In normal circumstances that would be the right thing to do but Sane played very little last season, he hasn't played this season and it’s likely he would not get much game time next season if he sits tight - I’m not sure taking almost 3 years out is a good move for Sane but I guess it depends what motivates Leroy and his agent?

 

[ctid1894]

But “everyone else”, ie every potential future partner out there, wouldn’t know you’d been cheated on.

I understand the point you’re making about City, but to compare it to how an individual might behave after the being the victim of infidelity is a really poor comparison. I think you’re complicating it by trying to use that example.

Oh I agree it's a poor comparison, no doubt in that but the principle still stands. Private or public, it doesn't matter, the clubs behaviour shouldn't change. You behave with integrity no matter who sees it or who doesn't, otherwise it's pretencious bollocks.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

IF Leroy thinks that by joining Bayern he'll be playing week in and week out he's going to be very disappointed. I watch most weeks the Bundesliga highlights, not even Robert Lewandowski gets to start every week. He who is top scorer in the league cannot get a start every week why does Leroy think he will be starting every week is beyond me.

So Bayern want a player swap seal if possible then that should be a player of our choice not theirs. How dose the club know that the player they offer us won't have a shake of the hands deal that they will come back for him in 2yrs and try the same thing as they have with Leroy.

 

[nmc]

Fully agree, I hate those people who go for interviews and getting a new job, hand in there notice just to get a pay rise instead of working hard and earning one.

There is a statistic of course that says people who do this are back in the job market within 3 months because the underlying reasons they looked for a new job (usually your boss is a twat) in the first place are still there. Also the organisation might give you a pay rise to keep you but the relationship is strained because you’ve clearly been looking elsewhere. If you land another job you should take it and never be dissuaded by a pay rise.

 

[nmc]

IF Leroy thinks that by joining Bayern he'll be playing week in and week out he's going to be very disappointed. I watch most weeks the Bundesliga highlights, not even Robert Lewandowski gets to start every week. He who is top scorer in the league cannot get a start every week why does Leroy think he will be starting every week is beyond me.

So Bayern want a player swap seal if possible then that should be a player of our choice not theirs. How dose the club know that the player they offer us won't have a shake of the hands deal that they will come back for him in 2yrs and try the same thing as they have with Leroy.

The ability to rotate in the Bundesliga is enhanced by the uncompetitive nature of the league. If Bayern are playing Augsburg the weekend of a Champions League game - why risk playing all of their A List players. In the PL we just don’t have that luxury.

 

[g180aj]

There is a statistic of course that says people who do this are back in the job market within 3 months because the underlying reasons they looked for a new job (usually your boss is a twat) in the first place are still there. Also the organisation might give you a pay rise to keep you but the relationship is strained because you’ve clearly been looking elsewhere. If you land another job you should take it and never be dissuaded by a pay rise.

I've always lived by the principal that if I like a job and it has good prospects then I can live with a little less pay, if I hand my notice in its because something isn't right and it's beyond repair (or there is too good an opportunity to turn down)

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Leroy should remember that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. It might all break down if a new boss comes in and he doesn't like Leroy's style of football. He may just bench him or sell him. Leroy should just knuckle down and get on with his job and work hard. Who knows he may just get a regular start more often.

 

[nmc]

Leroy should remember that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. It might all break down if a new boss comes in and he doesn't like Leroy's style of football. He may just bench him or sell him. Leroy should just knuckle down and get on with his job and work hard. Who knows he may just get a regular start more often.

He will get an easy life and there’s loads of upsides. Play lots of first team football, one team league, loads of domestic honours won with ease, good salary, guaranteed starter for Germany as a Bayern player... only thing he loses is testing himself with the best coach in the world - but he’s maybe not up for that.

 

[TINY]

Leroy should remember that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. It might all break down if a new boss comes in and he doesn't like Leroy's style of football. He may just bench him or sell him. Leroy should just knuckle down and get on with his job and work hard. Who knows he may just get a regular start more often.

Or maybe he’ll go and be a huge success in his home country, win Ballon D’or multiple titles and earn himself a shed load. The grass isn’t always greener but sometimes it is.

I don’t want him to go at all, I think he’s an amazing player but I can’t blame him for wanting to return to his country and play for one of the biggest clubs in the world, whilst being a star of it

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

You're leading by example by simply behaving with integrity, it's not complicated.

You are placing a lot of confidence into the " integrity " of a number of agents, clubs and individuals who are simply looking after their own iterests and bank balances .

If we are to believe what we read from the those itk about the UEFA issue at CAS next week, which could have a massive impact upon the club, then " integrity " in football is a little short in supply on many fronts.

 

[ctid1894]

You are placing a lot of confidence into the " integrity " of a number of agents, clubs and individuals who are simply looking after their own iterests and bank balances .

If we are to believe what we read from the those itk about the UEFA issue at CAS next week, which could have a massive impact upon the club, then " integrity " in football is a little short in supply on many fronts.

You're placing a lot of emphasis on everyone being a money grabbing bastard. It's not my fault if you and many others have an attitude of trusting nobody, that's your insecurities.

I have a lot of confidence in how the club is run, the integrity of the owners, management and playing staff. Why shouldn't I have? We've proven the model works over the last 10 years with the likes of Kompany, Zabaleta, Silva, Fernandinho and Aguero among many others. You'll always get the odd one (Tevez, Toure and what looks increasingly like Sane) who doesn't want to be part of the clubs future for whatever reasons, in some cases lacking integrity (Scarface's golf expedition), in others just because they want to move on.

You can't define your whole attitude to players based on those odd ones, it's counter productive and exudes negativity. Treat players and all staff with trust, appreciation and respect and you reap the rewards (in most cases, not all).

That's when you have to trust the club in bringing in not only the right players but the right characters as well, over recent years we appear to have been very very good at that aspect, so there's no reason to think it's suddenly changed just because Sane wants to leave. A lot of people are angry and frustrated and letting the emotions overrule them in one situation, without seeing the bigger picture of how it'll negatively impact the others. Tolmie very clearly said a few weeks ago Sane is very popular in the squad and they don't want to see him banished (I think was the term he used, apologies if not) to the reserves. That shows he types of character we have at the club.

 

[Chi-town blues]

And we make shitloads off shirt sales and social media clicks

And how do you know how much we made in return ? are you an accountant working for city or itk?