Decriminalisation of drugs

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The present way we deal with drugs is insanity writ large.

It is .... but its a way of filling the jails to capacity which means that companies like Serco and G4s make their dosh (in case you didn't know they have lobbyists who call for tougher sentencing)

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It is .... but its a way of filling the jails to capacity which means that companies like Serco and G4s make their dosh (in case you didn't know they have lobbyists who call for tougher sentencing)

And serial offenders volunteering to go back inside because their arse is full of drugs and/or mini mobile phones.

Rather than provide solutions to the circumstances why anyone would want to go into prison to earn a few hundred quid and some drugs, we have people proposing that we should just ban these phones instead.

 

[stonerblue]

Wacky backy is the scourge of suburbia.
It absolutely stinks. Users are oblivious to this fact.

I'm treated daily to my neighbours heavy use. It gets embarrassing when i have anybody round for a BBQ.
It gets annoying when it drifts into the house if a window is left open.

Another thing i've found is it does cause paranoia in some users.
I'm yet to come across a anti-vaxxer/flat earther/fake moon landings conspiracy nut who isn't on it.
These same types are happy to spend there entire life trying to convince others about the world super powers that cannabis possesses.
All herbs have some benefit, but some of the claims are outrageous.

I'm actually up for allowing a grown adult to take whatever substance they wish though.
So i would support legalising all drugs. I would hope it means the backy users would progress to harder none smelly types of drugs. They can do what they want as long as it doesn't affect me.
The weak minded that need these childish crutches should have a hard look at themselves why they need drugs in the first place.

Fucking barbecues are the scourge of suburbia. The stink of burning flesh wafting over the fence and into my house makes me wanna puke. Use you fucking cooker and shut the kitchen door.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

cannabis yes and long overdue.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-44109060

 

[Mike N]

Wacky backy is the scourge of suburbia.
It absolutely stinks. Users are oblivious to this fact.

I'm treated daily to my neighbours heavy use. It gets embarrassing when i have anybody round for a BBQ.
It gets annoying when it drifts into the house if a window is left open.

Another thing i've found is it does cause paranoia in some users.
I'm yet to come across a anti-vaxxer/flat earther/fake moon landings conspiracy nut who isn't on it.
These same types are happy to spend there entire life trying to convince others about the world super powers that cannabis possesses.
All herbs have some benefit, but some of the claims are outrageous.

I'm actually up for allowing a grown adult to take whatever substance they wish though.
So i would support legalising all drugs. I would hope it means the backy users would progress to harder none smelly types of drugs. They can do what they want as long as it doesn't affect me.
The weak minded that need these childish crutches should have a hard look at themselves why they need drugs in the first place.

My wife used to be a teacher and many kids, and homework books, would absolutely stink of it. Other kids in the classroom would complain of the smell.

As my mum would say, ‘why don’t people care how common they look to everyone else?’

 

[mccity]

I always feel like most people who argue in favour of decriminalisation or legalisation are doing so from a perspective of the world around drugs, rather than the drugs themselves. With the exception of marijuana generally where many have the relevant understanding.


I've said elsewhere that I don't generally trust society to be responsible with a wave of all sorts of drugs becoming more readily available, however from a decriminalisation POV instead of legalisation I think we can get away with being a lot more lenient in many cases.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

No after seeing this. Its a livecam from Kensington Philadelphia (Zombie town). The town seems to allow drug use, its awash with needles all over the floor, people drugged out all over the place.. the latest drug is Tranq I think a mixture of horse tranquiliser and something else. Its honestly one of the more shocking and depressing things I have seen.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Wacky backy is the scourge of suburbia.
It absolutely stinks. Users are oblivious to this fact.

I'm treated daily to my neighbours heavy use. It gets embarrassing when i have anybody round for a BBQ.
It gets annoying when it drifts into the house if a window is left open.

Another thing i've found is it does cause paranoia in some users.
I'm yet to come across a anti-vaxxer/flat earther/fake moon landings conspiracy nut who isn't on it.
These same types are happy to spend there entire life trying to convince others about the world super powers that cannabis possesses.
All herbs have some benefit, but some of the claims are outrageous.

I'm actually up for allowing a grown adult to take whatever substance they wish though.
So i would support legalising all drugs. I would hope it means the backy users would progress to harder none smelly types of drugs. They can do what they want as long as it doesn't affect me.
The weak minded that need these childish crutches should have a hard look at themselves why they need drugs in the first place.

Decriminalising cannabis wax and oil rather than the smokable stuff is the way to go.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Perfectly valid fears given the way we see drug users today but I have an alternative view.

if , for example, heroin was legalised society would eventually (it wouldn’t happen overnight) go back to where it was before the late 60s. What used to happen then was that a heroin addict would go to his doctor and be prescribed heroin along with a safe place to take it on the condition that he or she also undertook counselling to come off the drug (studies over the years in every country that has done them have consistently shown that heroin addicts in particular are self medicating to overcome trauma, often from childhood, and often of a sexual or violent nature). Counselling can and did help them come off the drug.
They wouldn’t have to steal or commit any crime at all I’m order to receive their fix and could instead spend their energy making themselves better. They also wouldn’t have to recruit new addicts in order to gain more customers for heroin (very many addicts are user dealers, dealing the drug to make money to buy their own.) hence the explosion in heroin addict numbers from around 3000 in 1960 to many hundreds of thousands today.
With this system, crime against property would reduce by an unimaginable amount. It would statistically disappear almost. (Studies have also shown that the vast majority of crime against property (burglary etc) is as a result of the drugs trade. If you’re an addict with no job what do you do to make money to buy heroin? You steal and/or you sell heroin to new customers).
Addicts wouldn’t be searching out new customers, burgling your house, mugging you or committing any one of a number of other crimes in order to get their drug. They’d be taking safe, medical grade heroin, at a safe health centre, and undergoing counselling with the aim of ending their addiction. No problematic heroin addict wants to be a heroin addict. At the moment they just have no other choice in order to get through their day.
Thats just heroin.

if we legalise Cocaine, and sell it openly from, for the want of a better expression, “drug stores” (chemists), again we would be selling safer coke, without as many additives (laxatives are the least harmful. Arsenic,rat poison etc are the most harmful) and offering advice on how to take it.
We do that now with cigarettes. And booze.

if you are a young lad or girl who fancies a line or two on your night out which would you rather buy? Regulated, safer cocaine from a Shop, or rat poison from a guy who either carrries a gun or works for someone that carries a gun?

Again, you would reduce the take from organised crime to the tune of billions a pounds a
year and raise tax revenue for the country. Certainly at first there would still be street dealers , as there are now for illicit cigs and booze, but they simply wouldn’t be able to compete with safe, regulated product that is readily available.

People think legalisation would lead to an explosion of drugs use (I used to be one of these people) but I no longer think it would. We have educated our kids away from cigarettes (I’m 50, when I was 14 over half my mates smoked. Now cigs use in teenagers is reduced massively. You hardly see kids smoking these days. When is was a young un loads did.

All it would lead to would be safer drugs, less hospital admissions, vastly reduced levels of crime and increased tax revenue.
Not to mention hugely reduced claims against insurance companies, and gigantic reductions in policing workload.

Theres a reason in the 60s and before there was “a Bobby on every street corner”. Part of that reason is that police weren’t dealing with an army of organised drug gangs carrying automatic weapons in every single town, village, and city in the country. Every day. So they were able to police by presence alone. They didn’t have to drive around in armoured cars in huge numbers. They could and did police their own beat And they knew their communities. It might never get back to those halcyon days but if violent crime (almost always linked to the drug trade) is significantly reduced, policing will change. And it will change for the better for all concerned.

And lastly, and most depressingly, studies show that when a copper arrests a career burglar, burglaries in his area reduce (burglars don’t need to recruit other burglars in order to survive etc). When the police arrest a drug dealer (almost always a low level drug dealer as the higher ups are too well protected by the fear of extreme violence to anyone who “grasses” to ever be arrested, or even known about) studies prove that the supply of drugs does not reduce by a single ounce. it just gets ever more violent (to further “protect” against being grassed up and to instil extreme fear in one’s customers).
As mad as it will sound, every drugs bust increases the level of violence in that community, and makes the violence even more extreme.

Our current system provides over 7bn a year to thugs, murders and gangsters.
If we chose to, we can turn off that tap of illicit money overnight and instead reap the benefits of reduced crime, reduced drug users, reduced insurance premiums, and increased police resources to deal with other crimes.
Its time we did exactly that.

Great post.

And in turn, authorities can turn their attention to the people trafficking scourge with the extra time, money and manpower they have with the reduction in drugs and drug related crime.

 

[TonyM]

No after seeing this. Its a livecam from Kensington Philadelphia (Zombie town). The town seems to allow drug use, its awash with needles all over the floor, people drugged out all over the place.. the latest drug is Tranq I think a mixture of horse tranquiliser and something else. Its honestly one of the more shocking and depressing things I have seen.

I think that's just America being America.