tonycoleman
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So wherefore now Dedryk?
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Dedryk Boyata
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decmancity
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Out on loan to someone who will play him at CB.
Blue Haze
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CTID101 said:Out on loan to someone who will play him at CB.
Agree. Although if it's a choice between Savic or Boyata as our 4th choice CB, it's Boyata every day for me.
He has loads of talent, this is the second player of ours that the amazing Owen Coyle has messed around with, no more loans to Bolton please unless it's a guaranteed first team place in proper position. I'm not sure if Boyata has a future at City but he definitely has a future in a top league.
LoveCity said:He has loads of talent, this is the second player of ours that the amazing Owen Coyle has messed around with, no more loans to Bolton please unless it's a guaranteed first team place in proper position. I'm not sure if Boyata has a future at City but he definitely has a future in a top league.
Last year he looked like he was on the edge of really breaking into the first team....then wasted a year at Bolton. I hope the stint away hasn't pushed his development backwards.
niall_mcfc
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Bolton fucked Weiss around and now Boyata. Shows how bad of a manager Coyle is. Yes he gave Sturridge and Wilshere playing time but he played them in there favoured positions yet Weiss and Boyata where never played or played out of position. Some may say they werent good enough but noone on this planet can say that Zat Knight is a premiership central defender and not be joking.
Hopefully he goes back out on loan to a decent side who will play him at centre back alongside a veteran who he can learn off. Premiership would be ideal but if not any other of the top leagues would be good.
Hopefully he goes back out on loan to a decent side who will play him at centre back alongside a veteran who he can learn off. Premiership would be ideal but if not any other of the top leagues would be good.
southern muppet
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Wherefore means why not where ;)
I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.
I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.
GStar
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I really rate Boyata (Dedryk is massive) if we loan him it needs to be to a mid table PL side at worse.
Alternatively loan Savic and keep Boyata around the 1st team.
Alternatively loan Savic and keep Boyata around the 1st team.
King Of All Geordies
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Keep him as fourth choice CB and for Carling Cup games etc..
oakiecokie
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southern muppet said:Wherefore means why not where ;)
I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.
Wherefore art thou` Romeo ?
So is Juliet asking why he is a Romeo and not where is he ??
Confused ?? You should be ...
southern muppet
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oakiecokie said:southern muppet said:Wherefore means why not where ;)
I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.
Wherefore art thou` Romeo ?
So is Juliet asking why he is a Romeo and not where is he ??
Confused ?? You should be ...
I think so. It was kind of a existential question, or like ''why are you you and why am I me when we could so easily be different people and this wouldn't be a problem?"'
O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet.
Dzeko's Right Boot
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Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
Andy Conway
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It's not an existential question, she's simply complaining that he's got the wrong name / belongs to the wrong family: the one that's at war with hers.southern muppet said:oakiecokie said:southern muppet said:Wherefore means why not where ;)
I think Southampton, Reading, Swansea etc might be good a loan move. No way he should leave permanently - a few months of misuse by Coyle doesn't erase his earlier promise, it just puts us back at square one. Still zero reason to get rid.
Wherefore art thou` Romeo ?
So is Juliet asking why he is a Romeo and not where is he ??
Confused ?? You should be ...
I think so. It was kind of a existential question, or like ''why are you you and why am I me when we could so easily be different people and this wouldn't be a problem?"'
O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet.
edgecroft
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It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.Dzeko's Right Boot said:Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.
If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.
If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?
Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.
edgecroft said:It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.Dzeko's Right Boot said:Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.
If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.
If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?
Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.
Or Birmingham didn't play Hart at all.
Why Always Ste
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This whole "playing a player out of position" thing and how it relates to the loan being shit for the player is total nonsense....
Many players at a young age have been played "out of position" and gone on to become world class stars in their new position.
or reverted back to their position and become alot better, able to read the game differently and noticing mistakes they regularly did.
It may of been better for Boyata to learn the game from a different part of the pitch?
I don't think his loan was a success but it's not going to be being in defence for a relegated team is it.
Many players at a young age have been played "out of position" and gone on to become world class stars in their new position.
or reverted back to their position and become alot better, able to read the game differently and noticing mistakes they regularly did.
It may of been better for Boyata to learn the game from a different part of the pitch?
I don't think his loan was a success but it's not going to be being in defence for a relegated team is it.
edgecroft said:It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.Dzeko's Right Boot said:Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.
If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.
If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?
Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.
I frankly think it is more about playing time. 12 appearances for Bolton. 17 for us the season before. If they weren't going to play him, he should have gone elsewhere.
Dzeko's Right Boot
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edgecroft said:It's hardly snobbishness. When you loan someone out, especially a young player, it should be an arrangement that benefits both teams. Bolton get a fine young player, we get that young player with a year of Premier League experience under his belt, without the risk of the consequences of any mistakes he might make.Dzeko's Right Boot said:Wow, the snobbishness shown here is unreal.
"We're better than them, they should play our players in their positions."
But if Bolton go ahead and play him out of position, we get nothing out of it. If they keep Weiss on the bench, we get nothing out of that either. In both cases, it's a year wasted.
If they didn't want to use these players, they shouldn't have asked us to loan them to them. Any number of other clubs would have been happy to have them and play them where we intend to use them when we get them back.
If we had loaned Hart to Birmingham and they had played him as a right back, wouldn't we have been within our rights to be severely pissed at them?
Yes we would, so stop having a go at Blues and pretending that your better than them when you're not, you're just missing the point.
Sorry, what? Better than them? At which point in my 20 word post did you deduce that? I was merely pointing out that this mentality is snobbish. When we loan a player out, it's up to that team how they play him. They're clearly not going to do something absurdly ridiculous like play a keeper at right back, that is such a poor example to back up your point. Relying on a loan player can really fuck a team up, so it's not too much of a surprise that they didn't play him all the time. Yes, I'm disappointed Boyata didn't get as much playing time as everyone hoped. But I'm not going round slamming my fist on the table, saying that Bolton should have played him. That is snobby, and a little arrogant.
We've played him at right back a number of times. I think it was against Bolton when he played there and put in a very good performance.