Discuss Pellegrini

[meet me at the 109]

The reason everyone is worried and coming on ere is because of the performances so far this season,we are SHIT gone backwards, clueless etc etc even some players who looked decent last year are woeful .Yes a point at STOKE is maybe OK but it`s the performances and that`s against very average teams.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What's up? Is rag cafe down?

Absolutely no way on earth you are a City fan

definite smelly rag, and if not, just a ........................

tbh if you take your blue tinted specs off 'just like me' and digest the post he does make some good points

Perhaps if he hadn't posted that it "looks like the joke is on us", after four games, then perhaps people could take the rest of what he posted more seriously.

 

[Cheesy]

It's far too early to say that Manuel is a poor appointment, of course it is.

When new players & a new manager arrive poor performances can happen (yes, even three in a row) whilst everyone gets used to each other and to the new approach.

However, for one reason alone I am concerned.... I have absolutely no idea what this new approach is and, dare I say it, so far it looks as though the team doesn't either. What exactly is Manuel trying to do? What formation is he trying to get us playing and what attitude is he trying to instill?

There are people on here who know a great deal more than me about football. I'd be really grateful if a few of you could give your opinion on what you think he's trying to do.

 

[Bill]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

you'll wished you hadn't . pelli is nowhere near as good a manager as mancini and time will show that.

it was pure politics that got bob hoofed. his managerial record is outstanding.

 

[dxb-blue]

The Owners wanted City to progress in Europe, which unfortunately Mancini had failed at Inter and was repeating the same at City. The new boys from Barca wanted a "yes man", who would allow them to get on with their jobs and ensure their influence was not challenged.
Enter Pellegrini.
We all laughed at the Scum taking on Moyes (never won anything etc)....looks like the joke is on us now.

As for who is available....I think a certain Mr. Guus Hiddick is available - a manager with a winning mentality and can offer a "hostic" approach aswell.

What's up? Is rag cafe down?

Absolutely no way on earth you are a City fan

definite smelly rag, and if not, just a ........................

In my opinion City last year were not a "broken team", the manager had delivered trophies on the pitch and albeit failed in Europe.
He was clealy not backed during the previous transfer window and this definitely was part of the problem last year.

As fans we accepted the managerial change (albeit saddened somewhat) on the basis that there would be a major improvement in our play.
Whilst accepting its only 4 games in.....the standard of play and the lack of a positive impact of the new Manager has been greatly disappointing and thus the discussion has started.

Now tell me...how does this makes me a rag?

 

[Anonymous]

For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.

I've always liked your posts hg you know that, and I completely agree with the sentiments in this one too. Absolutely this forum is almost the only place to come and discuss the manager. But there seems to be a lack of appreciation from certain posters to the reality that we are four games into a new season with new players bedding in and a new manager. Given that it seems unwise to make any rash or sweeping generalisation about whether he will be a success or a failure.

You know what I think but i'll stick it up here again. Pellegrini is a top manager who's teams have historically played exciting fluid attacking football. The prospect of him having the players we have at our disposal is mouthwatering. We might not yet have seen much of any of this, but for me it'll come and it'll come sooner than people think.

My gut tells me this forum will be a very different place after we spank the rags next weekend.

 

[tonea2003]

It's far too early to say that Manuel is a poor appointment, of course it is.

When new players & a new manager arrive poor performances can happen (yes, even three in a row) whilst everyone gets used to each other and to the new approach.

However, for one reason alone I am concerned.... I have absolutely no idea what this new approach is and, dare I say it, so far it looks as though the team doesn't either. What exactly is Manuel trying to do? What formation is he trying to get us playing and what attitude is he trying to instill?

There are people on here who know a great deal more than me about football. I'd be really grateful if a few of you could give your opinion on what you think he's trying to do.

the new approach i thought after the newcastle game was the high pressing and quicker movement of the ball, but we seem to have laid off the high pressing and are back to the slower more patient build up from the mancini era in the last 3 games

 

[Berkovic_blue]

If we were playing this poorly but there was some discernible change in playing style then I think there would be far less angst on here. The problem is that we basically are playing Mancini football but not as well as when managed by Roberto.

The only slight change that was obvious to me is that in the Newcastle game we threw in a few more long diagonal balls. Hardly rocket science.
As I have said before when Roberto started it was obvious from day one what he was trying to do. Overnight the previously shambolic defending was eradicated, we became organized, something we had not been for many years,

What our new manager is trying to do I have no idea.

Many harp on about last season being bad. But for me the cup semi final against Chelsea was City at their best. First 45 minutes we played the eventual Europa League winners off the park. And these were the players who hated Mancini.

Like many others I am worried about the United game despite the fact they are not playing well themselves. The new man does not exude a quiet strength to me. He looks like a guy caught in the headlights.

I suppose time will tell. At least he's not up against Ferguson.

Good post, been saying the same myself. At the moment I can't even see what MP is trying to do because we certainly don't look more attacking.

Last season we were at least creating plenty of chances, we failed because we didn't score enough of them.

 

[waspish]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

I tend to take a more long term view than just looking at one off results in isolation, and in my opinion, our performance level has gone backwards this season. We've taken a squad that finished second, added 90m worth of talent, upgraded our manager (alledgedly), had a particularly friendly batch of opening fixtures, and yet the performance level has dropped. I'd expect to see debate on here about that, and I'm surprised that some people are surprised that it's happening. Sack the manager? Well no we're nowhere near there yet, but doubts about his appointment? I'd say that's fair enough.

If you're looking for a long term view on things, some people doubted Kompany when he first signed without giving him a chance to settle, different scenario, but just saying.............

Really?! Watched his 1st appearance he came of the subs bench against west ham played in front of the back Four and he was outstanding...

 

[City_Sean]

Pellegrini guided a weak malaga side to the CL, real madrid he didn't win a trophy, but they finished on a record 96 points, the man is a very good manager, give him time.

 

[Ducado]

A point and a clean sheet at Stoke would've been good enough under Mancini, what's the difference?

A point and a clean sheet is, well, a point and a clean sheet?

I promised myself to not get drawn in to this comparison shit but fuck it I'm joining in.

you'll wished you hadn't . pelli is nowhere near as good a manager as mancini and time will show that.

it was pure politics that got bob hoofed. his managerial record is outstanding.

Have you got Wednesdays lottery numbers Bill?

You can't possibly know what is going to transpire, I just happen to think we are going through a dip, I am not pretending all is well, anyone can see we have been below par but the time to pass judgement is not after 4 games, lets see how we are after 10.

I can guarantee that if this continues for 10 games you will have every City fan wanting him out, but not 4 it's all very knee jerk

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I have slept on yesterday performance and let me just put one thing out there.

Not one blue,one wants Pellegrini to fail so they can say "told you so". For people to think that blues want to score cheap shots is really quite silly.

My concern is this.Pellegrini has won nothing.
Yesterday he looked like a defeated man already.
He looks haunted as if he is thinking "Wtf have I took on here".

The players for sure need to buck up and start earning what they are paid for.
I still think that Pellegrini will be gone by Christmas and replaced by somebosy else-Who,I have no idea however do we really think that the Spanish pair and Khaldoon have not looked at the 4 performances and thought bar Newcastle this is unacceptable.
Somebody posted last year that Mansour/Khaldoon are winners.They don't accept second best.
So my question is this.Are we happy to just progress in europe-not guaranteed at all and accept a non trophy winning season?
I for one am not but my opinion or anyones on here are not what the board look at.
I will stand by my guns that the sacking of Mancini will put our club back 3 yrs at least but that in no uncertain terms means I or anyone wants us to fail.
Next 2 games are pivotal in our season.
I am not sure why but I just have a bad feeling about things that are going on. Of course off the pitch it is going well,but I for one currently am interested in on pitch performances.

And yet that is precisely the allegation you levelled against the Mancini 'outers' repeatedly for weeks on here! That they hoped City would lose so they could be proven 'right'. You really don't do irony do you?!! That notwithstanding, the continuous linking of the twin decisions to sack Mancini and install Pellegrini, is ill advised. Mancini was an increasingly busted flush, both on and off the field, and the decision to remove him was the correct one in my opinion. The fact that his successor looks to be making a pigs ear of it so far, doesn't change that fact.

As to the rest of your post, I largely share your concerns. I don't know much about Pellegrini in terms of his commitment to a task, but I wonder how much tenacity a 60 year old, who has never managed outside of a Spanish speaking country, who has just lost both of his parents, and who is presently in charge of the one club the English media loves to undermine, will demonstrate when sections of the City crowd (and there are already some morons amidst our number, trying to start Mancini chants) turn on him, as they undoubtedly will if this lunatic board is anything to go by.
The next two games are huge, and based on what we've seen so far, I can see little grounds for optimism in either of them. We have a squad full of talented players, but it is imbalanced, it lacks pace in key areas, and has been found repeatedly wanting over the course of the past 18 months against particular tactics. We are gonna get pressed all season on our travels, and if Pellegrini doesn't change his set up quickly and get his players to demonstrate far more hunger and aggression, then as a prediction I'd venture we ain't gonna finish in the top half, never mind a Champions League spot

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.

I've always liked your posts hg you know that, and I completely agree with the sentiments in this one too. Absolutely this forum is almost the only place to come and discuss the manager. But there seems to be a lack of appreciation from certain posters to the reality that we are four games into a new season with new players bedding in and a new manager. Given that it seems unwise to make any rash or sweeping generalisation about whether he will be a success or a failure.

You know what I think but i'll stick it up here again. Pellegrini is a top manager who's teams have historically played exciting fluid attacking football. The prospect of him having the players we have at our disposal is mouthwatering. We might not yet have seen much of any of this, but for me it'll come and it'll come sooner than people think.

My gut tells me this forum will be a very different place after we spank the rags next weekend.

That's what we all want Billy but there doesn't appear to be the slightest whiff of epiphany in the air at the moment.

 

[hgblue]

For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.

I've always liked your posts hg you know that, and I completely agree with the sentiments in this one too. Absolutely this forum is almost the only place to come and discuss the manager. But there seems to be a lack of appreciation from certain posters to the reality that we are four games into a new season with new players bedding in and a new manager. Given that it seems unwise to make any rash or sweeping generalisation about whether he will be a success or a failure.

You know what I think but i'll stick it up here again. Pellegrini is a top manager who's teams have historically played exciting fluid attacking football. The prospect of him having the players we have at our disposal is mouthwatering. We might not yet have seen much of any of this, but for me it'll come and it'll come sooner than people think.

My gut tells me this forum will be a very different place after we spank the rags next weekend.

You probably already know, but I'll say it anyway, I REALLY hope your right about this. I have absolutely no desire to see Pellegrini fail. If he fails, we fail. I'm just having a hard time getting my head round just how shite we've been in the last three games. We've not taken a step backwards, we've taken one giant fucking leap backwards. Does this happen under a top quality manager? If it does, does the guy know how to put things right? We play like that against United and we could get mullered, and this place really will go into meltdown.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Mancini was a disciplinarian but he also had very little desire to build relationships with the players. This meant that when things started to go wrong and the disciplinarian style wore thin he was unable to turn things around with them.

Pellegrini is completely the opposite of Mancini. He is bit like Sven in that he treats the players like equals which is ok to a point but as others have said we do not have a squad full of natural grafters and leaders (as opposed to Everton for example). The manager needs to motivate them, we cannot afford to coast through matches like we have been doing. I'm not sure whether Pellegrini fully understands this but hopefully he will learn.

 

[gio's side step]

One thing I do know about Pellegrini ... Reading this quote from the OS leaves me concluding he must be an alcoholic

' I think we played well'

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.

I've always liked your posts hg you know that, and I completely agree with the sentiments in this one too. Absolutely this forum is almost the only place to come and discuss the manager. But there seems to be a lack of appreciation from certain posters to the reality that we are four games into a new season with new players bedding in and a new manager. Given that it seems unwise to make any rash or sweeping generalisation about whether he will be a success or a failure.

You know what I think but i'll stick it up here again. Pellegrini is a top manager who's teams have historically played exciting fluid attacking football. The prospect of him having the players we have at our disposal is mouthwatering. We might not yet have seen much of any of this, but for me it'll come and it'll come sooner than people think.

My gut tells me this forum will be a very different place after we spank the rags next weekend.

Aw Billy, what'd'ya go and say that for? They'll crucify you man........! ;)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It can't be a coincidence we share an identical record with United and Chelsea, currently, both who have also changed the manager?

Yet, both Mourinho and Moyes are already fully conversant in the ways of the Premier League.

They say one man doesn't make a team but I would beg to differ, and dare say, Barcelona fans would also agree.

The loss of Kompany has also coincided with our worst performances and results under Mancini over the course of two seasons.

Vinny's return will allow Pellegrini to expand his thinking and selection processes by ten-fold.

 

[Any1aBlue]

For goodness sake - give the guy a chance!

Those who say Mancini is/was better have clearly forgotten his turgid brand of sideways football with unhappy players who underperformed. Thankfully, IMO, he's gone - he aint coming back - so what's it going to achieve to chant his name? Merely it will cause more problems.

Our issues still exist, just as they did under Mancini - mainly players who aren't good enough: Kolarov, Garcia, Rodwell, Nasri, Lescott. All should have been sold.

Also, as I have repeatedly said for two years - we STILL need a world class centre back and a captain/leader. Failure to address this continually comes back to kick us. Yesterday there was no leadership at all. We keep buying forwards, yet our problems are in defence - thats why Mancini didnt win the Prem last season - lack of goals because we had to play two holding midfield players to compensate for inadequacy in the back four. We merely papered over the cracks.

This isnt the current manager's fault - its the fault of the scouts/transfer policy.

 

[sir baconface]

We are right to be disappointed and concerned. But not to panic and rip each other apart.

(Not yet, anyway!)