BillyShears said:hgblue said:For the record, I've always rated Kompany, and the only players, from memory, that I've never rated are Garcia and Sinclair. The problem with having an opinion is that it can come back to bite you on the arse I suppose, but to be honest, I'm only voicing concerns that are surely shared by the vast majority of blues at the moment? I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked, and I retain the hope that it's early days and he will come good given time, but I'm worried and I don't mind admitting it.
I've always liked your posts hg you know that, and I completely agree with the sentiments in this one too. Absolutely this forum is almost the only place to come and discuss the manager. But there seems to be a lack of appreciation from certain posters to the reality that we are four games into a new season with new players bedding in and a new manager. Given that it seems unwise to make any rash or sweeping generalisation about whether he will be a success or a failure.
You know what I think but i'll stick it up here again. Pellegrini is a top manager who's teams have historically played exciting fluid attacking football. The prospect of him having the players we have at our disposal is mouthwatering. We might not yet have seen much of any of this, but for me it'll come and it'll come sooner than people think.
My gut tells me this forum will be a very different place after we spank the rags next weekend.
Its hard to lose if you keep clean sheets.flb said:Love your optimism mate, defend like we have been doing then its curtains next Sunday
BillyShears said:The only salient point right now for those who are interested in being objective about the situation, is that we're 4 games into a new manager's tenure, and are missing key players. Results/points are far more important than performances right now.
Skashion said:Am I mistaken for thinking that there is quite a bit more sympathy for injuries under Pellegrini than under Mancini from certain parties? I'm quite sure that injuries were used as a stick to beat Mancini with last season as once again it proved his ineptitude to adapt and to fully utilise his very expensive squad. Now, if Kompany's out, as he was more than once last season - starting 68.4% of last season's league games compared to 81.5% the season before and 97.3% the season before that, apparently this is just bad luck and says nothing about Pellegrini's ability to utilise his even more expensive squad? I definitely think there is a disparity there. I think I detect the smell of egoism once again.
I love the smell of egoism in the morning.Skashion said:I think I detect the smell of egoism once again.
Firstly, that's pretty presumptuous anyway, but even if you're right, Mancini's gone, so why hasn't the situation been put right by Pellegrini?BillyShears said:Mancini sacked the medical staff who were largely responsible for keeping our players fit and injury free during our title winning season.
jaigurugoat said:Mancini was a disciplinarian but he also had very little desire to build relationships with the players. This meant that when things started to go wrong and the disciplinarian style wore thin he was unable to turn things around with them.
Pellegrini is completely the opposite of Mancini. He is bit like Sven in that he treats the players like equals which is ok to a point but as others have said we do not have a squad full of natural grafters and leaders (as opposed to Everton for example). The manager needs to motivate them, we cannot afford to coast through matches like we have been doing. I'm not sure whether Pellegrini fully understands this but hopefully he will learn.
Skashion said:Firstly, that's pretty presumptuous anyway, but even if you're right, Mancini's gone, so why hasn't the situation been put right by Pellegrini?BillyShears said:Mancini sacked the medical staff who were largely responsible for keeping our players fit and injury free during our title winning season.
In fairness to Pellers, he probably knows that as the same is true in most leagues, after all he suffered defeat in a cup game to Alcorcoron whilst in charge of Madrid, and they were in the Spanish 3rd division at the time.Jimfv1 said:jaigurugoat said:Mancini was a disciplinarian but he also had very little desire to build relationships with the players. This meant that when things started to go wrong and the disciplinarian style wore thin he was unable to turn things around with them.
Pellegrini is completely the opposite of Mancini. He is bit like Sven in that he treats the players like equals which is ok to a point but as others have said we do not have a squad full of natural grafters and leaders (as opposed to Everton for example). The manager needs to motivate them, we cannot afford to coast through matches like we have been doing. I'm not sure whether Pellegrini fully understands this but hopefully he will learn.
He also has to realise that in the Premier League the bottom team in the league is capable of beating the team at the top, not all the time, but if you play them on a bad day and they are up for the game, then it is quite possible that you would lose the game. This doesn;t often happen in othe European leagues, the top six, will mostly beat the bottom teams.
Skashion said:Am I mistaken for thinking that there is quite a bit more sympathy for injuries under Pellegrini than under Mancini from certain parties? I'm quite sure that injuries were used as a stick to beat Mancini with last season as once again it proved his ineptitude to adapt and to fully utilise his very expensive squad. Now, if Kompany's out, as he was more than once last season - starting 68.4% of last season's league games compared to 81.5% the season before and 97.3% the season before that, apparently this is just bad luck and says nothing about Pellegrini's ability to utilise his even more expensive squad? I definitely think there is a disparity there. I think I detect the smell of egoism once again.
salfordblue-tony2 said:casualdeyna said:I've been concerned by our performances so far but not so much the results as its far too early to panic. I remember winding rags up about 5 years back when we beat them 1-0 with a Geovani goal to put them near the bottom of the league about 4 games in, they ended up winning it come end of season.
Scolari came to Chelsea with a good reputation and he had a great start to the season, he was sacked before the end of it.
So even though we haven't hit the ground running its way too early to make any other judgement than a slow start.
Next two games are crucial and we've got to start playing soon. It will also be easier making a judgement when everyone is fit but we have only played well once so far and that was against 10 men
And with Captain Marvel at the back for most of it.
No, it's still hypocritical if Pellegrini hasn't remedied the situation, which clearly it hasn't been if we are assuming the injuries this season and last are down to the medical staff.BillyShears said:Skashion said:Firstly, that's pretty presumptuous anyway, but even if you're right, Mancini's gone, so why hasn't the situation been put right by Pellegrini?BillyShears said:Mancini sacked the medical staff who were largely responsible for keeping our players fit and injury free during our title winning season.
Since you were taking issue with people being sympathetic to the injuries Pellegrini is dealing with and suggesting it was hypocritical that the same courtesy wasn't extended to Mancini, I'm pointing out why it wasn't extended to Mancini.
Skashion said:No, it's still hypocritical if Pellegrini hasn't remedied the situation, which clearly it hasn't been if we are assuming the injuries this season and last are down to the medical staff.
Marvin said:I know we weren't great at Stoke, and we conceded a couple of good chances. But Garcia, Nasty, Joe and the full-backs did not crumble and that should give us hope. A bit of luck has come our way. Let's make the most of it now
Utd were rubbish this time last season and in hindsight those points they garnered when missing Vidic and Ferdinand? gave them the foundation to win the title. We've had our worst 3 games I can remember in 3 seasons but we are 4th, and the damage has not been done.
casualdeyna said:salfordblue-tony2 said:casualdeyna said:I've been concerned by our performances so far but not so much the results as its far too early to panic. I remember winding rags up about 5 years back when we beat them 1-0 with a Geovani goal to put them near the bottom of the league about 4 games in, they ended up winning it come end of season.
Scolari came to Chelsea with a good reputation and he had a great start to the season, he was sacked before the end of it.
So even though we haven't hit the ground running its way too early to make any other judgement than a slow start.
Next two games are crucial and we've got to start playing soon. It will also be easier making a judgement when everyone is fit but we have only played well once so far and that was against 10 men
And with Captain Marvel at the back for most of it.
True.
We've also got to remember that if we are to believe the noises coming out of the club the players have got exactly what they wanted with a manager who says hello to them, massages their egos and treats them with kid gloves to one who behaved like the demon headmaster. So they really should be putting more of a shift in.
Personally I think as such highly paid professionals they should have a manager who will put a rocket up someone's arse and not sulk when "the nasty manager said something horrible to me" but that doesn't seem to be the way with modern footballers