Discuss Pellegrini...

[Bill]

We were lucky to even score two goals. Had Javi stayed on the bench , we'd get thrashed 7-0.

Pellegrini got the line up wrong. But we hope he learns from his mistakes.

But he hasn't tactical naivity all the time.

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

But he hasn't tactical naivity all the time.

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

If he doesn't deliver the title this season then he will have to be a different animal next season or he will be lying on a beach in Chile by the time season 15/16 starts......

Pressure will be ramped up.

I think he was only brought in as a two year manager anyway. Convinced Pep will be here before too long. The final part of the jigsaw.

 

[JaviGarciaShow]

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

If he doesn't deliver the title this season then he will have to be a different animal next season or he will be lying on a beach in Chile by the time season 15/16 starts......

Pressure will be ramped up.

I think he was only brought in as a two year manager anyway. Convinced Pep will be here before too long. The final part of the jigsaw.

Pellegrini has 3-year contract, but yeah he will be out of the door fast if he doesn't deliver this and next season. Pep is also on 3-year contract if I remember correctly.

 

[gungho-tactics]

But he hasn't tactical naivity all the time.

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

It is the same in every league. You always have to play with a balanced team, Pellegrini knows this very well. He's supposed to be an expert at coaching 4-2-2-2. Traditionally this formation has two defensive midfielders. Toure is no defensive midfielder, so why is he pretending to be one.

 

[TGR]

But he hasn't tactical naivity all the time.

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

With the operative word being 'IF'..
He is not a top class manager but a level below.
That's why you can write his trophy haul as a manager on the back of a postage stamp.
A nice guy without a doubt.
A really top class manager - unfortunately not.

 

[inchy14]

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

With the operative word being 'IF'..
He is not a top class manager but a level below.
That's why you can write his trophy haul as a manager on the back of a postage stamp.A nice guy without a doubt.
A really top class manager - unfortunately not.

Copa Chile (1): 1995
Copa Interamericana (1): 1994
Liguilla Copa Libertadores (2): 1994, 1995
LDU Quito
Serie A (1): 1999
San Lorenzo
Primera División (1): 2000–01
Copa Mercosur (1): 2001
River Plate
Primera División (1): 2002–03
Villarreal
UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 2004
Manchester City
Football League Cup (1): 2013–14


Just tried it, can't get it to fit no matter how small i write it.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

With the operative word being 'IF'..
He is not a top class manager but a level below.
That's why you can write his trophy haul as a manager on the back of a postage stamp.
A nice guy without a doubt.
A really top class manager - unfortunately not.

Not necessarily arguing against you here, but who would you categorise as a 'really top class manager'? How many are there?

 

[supercity88]

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

It is the same in every league. You always have to play with a balanced team, Pellegrini knows this very well. He's supposed to be an expert at coaching 4-2-2-2. Traditionally this formation has two defensive midfielders. Toure is no defensive midfielder, so why is he pretending to be one.

I like how you are so focussed on what Pellegrini did wrong you ignore the system Liverpool played. They played a diamond variation of a 4-4-2 that worked as a 4-3-3 at times and was very fluid. It was about Gerrard sat deeper as a one man defensive midfielder and Henderson and Coutinho further forward. Sterling was bursting in from wide positions and Sturridge and Suarez were allowed to move all over the front line. Their team was very much attacking. They didn't play 2 defensive midfielders. They could have played Lucas for more balance. Henderson is not a defensive midfielder in Liverpool's system. They pressed high up the pitch to win the ball back, as is our style. That means you are defending high up the pitch and on the front foot. Their system was exploited as we grew into the game and Silva got on the ball more and more. That coincided with Milner's movement wide, supporting Dzeko. Because they were pressing high up the pitch, when we had the ball further up the park the likes of Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge and Sterling were too far forward and we managed to get 2 on 1 around the box several times. Just as we have been caught out this season, a quick ball forward to Aguero ended up with him turning Skrtel and us being in a great position to score. But we didn't take that chance. We actually handled their attacking play very well aside from their first goal. That was poor defending but their movement was good to create that chance. Otherwise their goals were because of poor marking and a mistake by Kompany. Our shape was actually very good.

The mistake I think Pellegrini made was in playing Navas rather than Milner. I think Navas is an excellent player but that he is often isolated and struggles to make an impact away from home. Milner took the game to Liverpool and exposed their vulnerability defensively - which is due to their attacking shape.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

He has been tactically naive all season.

When you play with attack minded fullbacks, two wingers and two strikers, then it vital you have two defensive midfielders. Football is about balance, and we've been playing with an unbalanced team all season.

I assume he gave Toure the opportunity to improve, but clearly he hasn't improved.

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

It is the same in every league. You always have to play with a balanced team, Pellegrini knows this very well. He's supposed to be an expert at coaching 4-2-2-2. Traditionally this formation has two defensive midfielders. Toure is no defensive midfielder, so why is he pretending to be one.

Here lies the main problem TOURE world class talent but not suited to a 2 man midfield we can get away with it at home against most teams but when we play away or an elite team we get found out it's either drop him big call or give him a bit of a free lience by putting javi behind him. Pellers seems reluctant to do this as it takes a edge of our attacking play and ig also takes our best player out of his best position silva! If the next 2 or 3 games go well with javi and fern playing as the 2 in the middle then I'd be tempted in flogging toure in the summer we could demand top money for him he's 30 cup of nations next season and we could probably bring in Fernando and pogba as replacements. Its either that or play him in a 3 where he's most comfortable. Tin hat on!

 

[toffee balls]

he has been naïve but there lies the reason. he's new to our game. if he's as good as they say we'll be a different animal next year.

It is the same in every league. You always have to play with a balanced team, Pellegrini knows this very well. He's supposed to be an expert at coaching 4-2-2-2. Traditionally this formation has two defensive midfielders. Toure is no defensive midfielder, so why is he pretending to be one.

I like how you are so focussed on what Pellegrini did wrong you ignore the system Liverpool played. They played a diamond variation of a 4-4-2 that worked as a 4-3-3 at times and was very fluid. It was about Gerrard sat deeper as a one man defensive midfielder and Henderson and Coutinho further forward. Sterling was bursting in from wide positions and Sturridge and Suarez were allowed to move all over the front line. Their team was very much attacking. They didn't play 2 defensive midfielders. They could have played Lucas for more balance. Henderson is not a defensive midfielder in Liverpool's system. They pressed high up the pitch to win the ball back, as is our style. That means you are defending high up the pitch and on the front foot. Their system was exploited as we grew into the game and Silva got on the ball more and more. That coincided with Milner's movement wide, supporting Dzeko. Because they were pressing high up the pitch, when we had the ball further up the park the likes of Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge and Sterling were too far forward and we managed to get 2 on 1 around the box several times. Just as we have been caught out this season, a quick ball forward to Aguero ended up with him turning Skrtel and us being in a great position to score. But we didn't take that chance. We actually handled their attacking play very well aside from their first goal. That was poor defending but their movement was good to create that chance. Otherwise their goals were because of poor marking and a mistake by Kompany. Our shape was actually very good.

The mistake I think Pellegrini made was in playing Navas rather than Milner. I think Navas is an excellent player but that he is often isolated and struggles to make an impact away from home. Milner took the game to Liverpool and exposed their vulnerability defensively - which is due to their attacking shape.

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