Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[supercity88]

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

To be honest with you the thought of Navas against Blind in a few weeks is giving me a hard on.

I would say that the Rags have to be given credit for their results. Performances have been dire but they keep winning and we should be further ahead than we are. The fact is though that our side has been poor yet we are still ahead of them. Rags v Liverpool is a game beyond tactics. It's about mentality and passion and Liverpool were woeful. They didn't show any of the desire or passion they did against us the other week. The Rags got stuck into them and their gameplan won through. I'd expect something different from the rags against us largely because they know we are miles better than them.

It will take one hell of a poor performance for the likes of Fellaini and Carrick to get anywhere near the ball with Fernandinho and Yaya playing. Add to that our best attacking players up against Smalling, Jones, Blind, Valencia?! I look forward to it! It's similar to how we used to be in the derby... hunger and determination won through over their talent.

 

[Georgian Maestro]

Some of you need your expectations watering down. ;)

Your mate Didsbury Dave has been saying all season that we are now miles ahead of United and they shouldn't even be classed as our rivals anymore. Do you disagree?

Yes I do disagree with him. On that and many other things. . Dyou repeat what your mates say parrot fashion or do you have a mind of your own?

Never noticed that before and is why I asked. I assumed you sought approval from each other via pm before posting.

 

[Danamy]

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

To be honest with you the thought of Navas against Blind in a few weeks is giving me a hard on.

Blind won't be their left back in a few weeks

Don't mess with my thoughts, i was enjoying that, who knows?

 

[waspish]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

Let's worry about us hey and winning the rest of our games! If we don't win the league top 2nd or 3rd is a minimum...

 

[Universidad de Chile]

http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4445692/pellegrinis-villarreal


I know its an old article but a decent one nonetheless about his favoured 4222 system-or 442 as we call it on here.

It says that the two DM's are the key into making this whole system work, fingers crossed this problem will be addressed in the summer.

What has pissed off a lot of fans and me included is his rigidity to play the system with either a) the wrong players or b) with players out of form from last season and trying to put square pegs in round holes.

Anyway he's staying so he gets my backing whilst he's here.

Do us proud Txiki !

thanks for the link, lad. a very insightfull one.

 

[mastermind]

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

. Rags v Liverpool is a game beyond tactics. It's about mentality and passion and Liverpool were woeful. .

Liverpool did not lack passion or mentality, they were tactically raped.

tactics are a huge part of the game .. its why small teams can beat big teams ..

 

[cleavers]

So the wattering down of expectations continues.
United now have better players, a better manager and it's ok to finish behind them?

Some of you need your expectations watering down. ;)

Your mate Didsbury Dave has been saying all season that we are now miles ahead of United and they shouldn't even be classed as our rivals anymore. Do you disagree?

Why make it personal ? Didsbury Dave hasn't commented on this or any subject for nearly a week. Either discuss the thread or leave it alone.

 

[mastermind]

http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4445692/pellegrinis-villarreal


I know its an old article but a decent one nonetheless about his favoured 4222 system-or 442 as we call it on here.

It says that the two DM's are the key into making this whole system work, fingers crossed this problem will be addressed in the summer.

What has pissed off a lot of fans and me included is his rigidity to play the system with either a) the wrong players or b) with players out of form from last season and trying to put square pegs in round holes.

Anyway he's staying so he gets my backing whilst he's here.

Do us proud Txiki !

we dont have a huge problem with playing football and scoring goals .. its how we defend that is the problem .. the two banks of four and two strikers up front is OPEN to abuse against teams that use the 4-3-3 (e.g. man united and barcelona) . so why dont we ditch the 442 sometimes ? the problem is that pellegrini does not like change, this is the very reason why he must leave ..

 

[flb]

http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4445692/pellegrinis-villarreal


I know its an old article but a decent one nonetheless about his favoured 4222 system-or 442 as we call it on here.

It says that the two DM's are the key into making this whole system work, fingers crossed this problem will be addressed in the summer.

What has pissed off a lot of fans and me included is his rigidity to play the system with either a) the wrong players or b) with players out of form from last season and trying to put square pegs in round holes.

Anyway he's staying so he gets my backing whilst he's here.

Do us proud Txiki !

we dont have a huge problem with playing football and scoring goals .. its how we defend that is the problem .. the two banks of four and two strikers up front is OPEN to abuse against teams that use the 4-3-3 (e.g. man united and barcelona) . so why dont we ditch the 442 sometimes ? the problem is that pellegrini does not like change, this is the very reason why he must leave ..

If you read the article it emphasises the importance of effective DM's-its vitally important to ANY formation you play, all the article does is show you his favoured system of play.

We have been badly let down by ALL of the players that have played in those positions throughout this season on a far to frequent basis.

 

[BillyShears]

So the watering down of expectations continues.
United now have better players, a better manager and it's ok to finish behind them?

Okay jokes aside (was on my phone before so can't really post more than a line or two) - I'm certainly not saying it's okay to finish behind them. Nor am I saying they have better players or a better manager. What I was doing was simply pointing out that it isn't a disgrace to only be a few points ahead of United. They are the most expensive squad in the league, they do have the highest wage bill in the league, and in Van Gaal they do have a highly decorated highly respected manager who has won a number of trophies in Europe. Yes they're the rags so they'll always be shit in my eyes, whether they're 20 points ahead of us or 20 points behind, but under the current circumstances it seems odd that Blues are bellyaching because United are doing okay. That's very much the kind of narrative i'd expect from the media (City are terrible and underachieving United are shite and overachieving) - when the truth is both clubs (along with Chelsea) should be judged on par from the start due to their respective budgets and the quality in their squads.

 

[sh249]

Look at the players Van Gaal has developed, the trophies he's won, and the esteem in which he's held. Pellegrini is a number of levels bellow in every regard.

Pellegrini inherited the most complete squad in the league, against a Chelsea with no decent strikers and a Ferguson-era United void there to be filled. Van Gaal inherited chaos, a team that saw 3 of it's long established back 4 leave, and has gotten them to within a few points of us despite a raft of new players to integrate, while still blooding youth with a view to future prosperity. They've also conceded fewer league goals than us, and looked far more convincing away at Anfield than we did a few weeks back. Rodgers did Pellegrini tactically, Van Gaal educated Rodgers yesterday.

LVG is a top manager with a very expensive squad so he should be expected to do well. I have always expected that he would win some trophies with the Rags (although it won't be this season) and I have always felt that his reign there would eventually end in tears. Hopefully, I will be wrong on the first count but it could go the other way.

Is LVG better than Pellegrini? I really don't know but he is a different animal and has had a different career. LVG is more likely to try a variety of approaches than Pellegrini. I'd like Pellegrini to be more pragmatic but his brief is to play attacking football etc and one of the reasons I assume he got the job is because he is prepared to plough that furrow even when the going gets tough. It might not please people on BlueMoan but let's see if it continues to please his bosses when we ge to the end of the season.

He is better than Pellegrini. His CV is the proof.

How did we do against the rags this season ? we won because they got a man sent off .. if you watch the game again youll find they were difficult to play against before the sending off. we got lucky , but we may not get lucky in the second derby.

Good to see honest, subjective analysis of the first derby and the bigger picture here. The reality is they have more points from the big games than us this season and there is every reason for us to be apprehensive going into the game with them.

Moving forward, we need a Van Gaal-type to help forge a legitimate elite club identity over the next few seasons; ultimately whoever succeeds Pellegrini is going to have a huge rebuild on their hands, as the squad is in a much worse state now than when he got hold of it, both in terms of personnel and mentality.

While I agree that, given our current form, we do have reason to be apprehensive going into the game against them, and, indeed, that a case could be made for Van Gaal being the more successful manager over their respective careers, it nonetheless strikes me as a bit rich of you to talk about 'honest, subjective analysis' in relation to any issue concerning Pellegrini. Pretty much every post you make includes some none-too-subtle dig at him; it seems to me like you clearly have an axe to grind.

 

[mastermind]

http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4445692/pellegrinis-villarreal


I know its an old article but a decent one nonetheless about his favoured 4222 system-or 442 as we call it on here.

It says that the two DM's are the key into making this whole system work, fingers crossed this problem will be addressed in the summer.

What has pissed off a lot of fans and me included is his rigidity to play the system with either a) the wrong players or b) with players out of form from last season and trying to put square pegs in round holes.

Anyway he's staying so he gets my backing whilst he's here.

Do us proud Txiki !

we dont have a huge problem with playing football and scoring goals .. its how we defend that is the problem .. the two banks of four and two strikers up front is OPEN to abuse against teams that use the 4-3-3 (e.g. man united and barcelona) . so why dont we ditch the 442 sometimes ? the problem is that pellegrini does not like change, this is the very reason why he must leave ..

If you read the article it emphasises the importance of effective DM's-its vitally important to ANY formation you play, all the article does is show you his favoured system of play.

We have been badly let down by ALL of the players that have played in those positions throughout this season on a far to frequent basis.

it maybe his favored system but its not what weve been playing this season .. the man on the right usually stays wide, david silva being the only one that comes inside .. this means that we dont need two holding midfielders, we only need one ...

anyway, we are not 2nd because we cannot play football or score goals, the problem is that we are shaky in defence and letting in too many goals. i dont feel like hes going to solve the defense problem any time soon.

 

[flb]

we dont have a huge problem with playing football and scoring goals .. its how we defend that is the problem .. the two banks of four and two strikers up front is OPEN to abuse against teams that use the 4-3-3 (e.g. man united and barcelona) . so why dont we ditch the 442 sometimes ? the problem is that pellegrini does not like change, this is the very reason why he must leave ..

If you read the article it emphasises the importance of effective DM's-its vitally important to ANY formation you play, all the article does is show you his favoured system of play.

We have been badly let down by ALL of the players that have played in those positions throughout this season on a far to frequent basis.

it maybe his favored system but its not what weve been playing this season .. the man on the right usually stays wide, david silva being the only one that comes inside .. this means that we dont need two holding midfielders, we only need one ...

anyway, we are not 2nd because we cannot play football or score goals, the problem is that we are shaky in defence and letting in too many goals. i dont feel like hes going to solve the defense problem any time soon.

Lets see what happens in the summer recruitment wise mate, things im sure will look a lot different come the start of the new season.

Bigger window for Txiki than it is for Pellegrini !

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Look at the players Van Gaal has developed, the trophies he's won, and the esteem in which he's held. Pellegrini is a number of levels bellow in every regard.

Pellegrini inherited the most complete squad in the league, against a Chelsea with no decent strikers and a Ferguson-era United void there to be filled. Van Gaal inherited chaos, a team that saw 3 of it's long established back 4 leave, and has gotten them to within a few points of us despite a raft of new players to integrate, while still blooding youth with a view to future prosperity. They've also conceded fewer league goals than us, and looked far more convincing away at Anfield than we did a few weeks back. Rodgers did Pellegrini tactically, Van Gaal educated Rodgers yesterday.

LVG is a top manager with a very expensive squad so he should be expected to do well. I have always expected that he would win some trophies with the Rags (although it won't be this season) and I have always felt that his reign there would eventually end in tears. Hopefully, I will be wrong on the first count but it could go the other way.

Is LVG better than Pellegrini? I really don't know but he is a different animal and has had a different career. LVG is more likely to try a variety of approaches than Pellegrini. I'd like Pellegrini to be more pragmatic but his brief is to play attacking football etc and one of the reasons I assume he got the job is because he is prepared to plough that furrow even when the going gets tough. It might not please people on BlueMoan but let's see if it continues to please his bosses when we ge to the end of the season.

He is better than Pellegrini. His CV is the proof.

How did we do against the rags this season ? we won because they got a man sent off .. if you watch the game again youll find they were difficult to play against before the sending off. we got lucky , but we may not get lucky in the second derby.

Good to see honest, subjective analysis of the first derby and the bigger picture here. The reality is they have more points from the big games than us this season and there is every reason for us to be apprehensive going into the game with them.

Moving forward, we need a Van Gaal-type to help forge a legitimate elite club identity over the next few seasons; ultimately whoever succeeds Pellegrini is going to have a huge rebuild on their hands, as the squad is in a much worse state now than when he got hold of it, both in terms of personnel and mentality.

Hmmmm (sniff, sniff)

 

[kupest]

So people are saying we should have LVG over Pellegrini? Fucking utter tosh that. They have played the worst football I have seen from them in ages (worst than Moyes as well). They have spent huge amounts and have one huge player on loan. Their last two games have been decent and that is about it. I wouldn't want to win a game playing the way LVG does.

 

[nellyonthewing]

If anything pisses me off both in this and the 12/13 Season it was the failure of the Club to distance themselves from the scum. Turtle has either through good luck or good judgement now stumbled across a pattern of play that his side suits and that they seem very comfortable with.. They now look a better 'team' than us on the recent performances.
Lets face it with our resources we should now be approaching our 4th consecutive Title .
Through poor management at all levels we are 'potless' for no other reason than a failure at a strategic level.
Its all very well quoting the 'long term project ' etc etc' but nothing is a substitute for success upon success upon success.
Winners do not take a breather and let your rivals up off the floor-you beat them to a pulp at every opportunity. We do not have that winning mentality at the Club.

 

[ancoats]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

the build needs to happen in the summer with or without pellegrini a clean out of some big names aswell but the thing that needs to happen most is the EDS youth players given a chance and a place in the first team squad forget loans to other teams in the championship or europe they should be in and around our first team setup

but your question about pellegrini for me should be given the sack for letting it get this bad
watching Chelsea yesterday and they are not a champions team they are pretty poor really its Manchester city who have given them the title they have not won it by themselves

stoke city at home (3 points) west ham away (3 points) burnley home and away (4 points) QPR away ( 2 points) hull city home (2 points)

thats 14 points vs teams that you should not drop points to and win every season
even if you half that 14 points lost to 7 that would put us top of the league so how can we give it away to Chelsea. I could take it if Chelsea was the better team this season but they are not and if like I said them points lost was half to 7 we still have be top of the league right now

I know we have droped points the Liverpool Chelsea and arsenal but they are games that you don't bank points to unlike burnley that should have been 6 points everytime

 

[Rolee]

There is some outrageous fucking shite being spouted in this thread.

If we're going to be subjective then be fucking subjective and don't just pick and choose certain aspects to suit your argument.

At least acknowledge that we have been sanctioned and others have not which gives them an advantage from the off. Acknowledge that the Rags didn't have European football to contend with and could focus solely on the Premier League.

This bollox about our resources and we should be winning the title every year because drives me up the fucking wall. We have the resources to compete at the very top, which we are doing in case some hadn't noticed, we have no divine right to fucking anything and it wouldn't go amiss to acknowledge that our competitors have the resources too.

Sorry, I'm ranting because I can't believe the spoilt child attitude that has developed amongst Blues, it fucking disgusts me.

 

[Danielmanc]

If anything pisses me off both in this and the 12/13 Season it was the failure of the Club to distance themselves from the scum. Turtle has either through good luck or good judgement now stumbled across a pattern of play that his side suits and that they seem very comfortable with.. They now look a better 'team' than us on the recent performances.
Lets face it with our resources we should now be approaching our 4th consecutive Title .
Through poor management at all levels we are 'potless' for no other reason than a failure at a strategic level.
Its all very well quoting the 'long term project ' etc etc' but nothing is a substitute for success upon success upon success.
Winners do not take a breather and let your rivals up off the floor-you beat them to a pulp at every opportunity. We do not have that winning mentality at the Club.

I wish Manuel could get lucky like that

 

[cleavers]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you, maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.