Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[cibaman]

If the club has a definite agreement to sign Guardiola (or whoever) and some fans have been told that by someone at the club, who else has that someone at the club told? And why hasnt it made the press yet?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Just to add to r.sole's post, I was told by a normally reliable source 2 years ago that the agreement always was that Guardiola would be here next season. And that's probably on here somewhere in case anyone thinks I'm just wumming.

(Edit: here it is - <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=283623&p=6754355&hilit=Guardiola#p6754355" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=6&t=283623&p=6754355&hilit=Guardiola#p6754355</a>)

The reason I now tend to take these things with something of a pinch of salt is that normally reliable sources said the same about Mourinho in 2009 when Hughes was sacked. And that included at least one source inside this club and another at another club who was close to JM himself and in regular contact. That's not to say there was never such an arrangement but that there almost certainly was but things changed.

I'm getting not authorised to to read that is it just me or the link ?

It's in the Mod Forum is why. Here's a cut and paste. Date is May 13th 2013.

I still maintain he either resigned or threatened to, leaving us no choice. The relationship between RM & TB is very poor I believe and key players aren't too keen on him. The sequence of events as I understand it is that he went straight back to Italy after the Everton game, where he thought about things for a while then told Khaldoon of his intention to resign or at least was seriously threatening to walk if he didn't get backing.

He was ordered out to Abu Dhabi straight after the game and spent a couple of days there. I had assumed (and the informed sources certainly supported this) that he had said he was determined to resign at the end of the season but it could be that he was telling them that he was doing them a favour being here as he and his wife would rather be in Italy etc and would happily walk away if he wasn't backed.

So the club had to make a decision and they took the same one as when Hughes tried the same tactic so after Mancini came back TB went out there and they decided to approach Pellegrini. I'm also convinced he's a short term appointment to keep the seat warm for Guardiola in 2 years time and that's another story.

I said the other day he'd only committed to 3 years after signing a 5 year contract but afterwards I wasn't sure if he meant 3 years from when he started or 3 years from when he signed the new contract. However the latter makes more sense now. Guardiola was waiting to see what happened but having won the league, the owners felt committed to him and duty bound to offer him a new contract. He signed the contract but possibly to avoid unnecessary speculation they made it a 5 year one (or they've got a 3 year break clause). That left PG high and dry and he decided to take a year out to see what transpired but was told by us that there was a job there in 3 years time.

I'm also pretty certain the owners were worried about a media backlash if they fialed to offer a title winning manager a new contract, which they possibly wouldn't have done if he hadn't won the league. So it looks like Wigan's win against the rags and Aguero's goal against QPR have had all sorts of unintended consequences.

The Guardiola part doesn't make any sense to me fella

I'll try to make it clearer. He knows his mates are going to us and that there's an exciting project to help build. He's done all he can at Barca so is looking for a new challenge. Mancini is coming to the end of his contract and it's not clear what's happening but it doesn't look like we're going to win the league and the word is RM won't be offered a new contract.

However, everything suddenkly changes, we win the title and RM is offered a new contract. He says "I'm only doing 3 years" and so PG is told there's a job in 3 years time. It's too late for him to do anything else so he takes a year off and goes to Bayern next season, after which there'll be 2 years to wait.

The story is that he'll be here in 2 years (and I believe that information is good), which fits in with everything else.

 

[Rammy Blue]

IMO whether He comes to City or not his position as Bayern isn't as assured as people make out. Fact is he HASN'T Signed the new contract they offered him in the autumn. He has had a at times fractious relationship with Sammer. And frankly I'm at a loss as to why the so called best coach in the world would want to continue to manage in a one team league which literally presents no competition for his side.

Maybe he'll honour his contract or maybe he'll sign a new one. Or maybe he'll walk because of the reasons above.

Good points, mate.

I hope Pep comes this summer, it would once and for all put an end to any bollocks excuses we've ever had about not having an elite coach.

I'm pretty sure we'll still manage to fuck it up but that's City for you!

 

[BillyShears]

IMO whether He comes to City or not his position as Bayern isn't as assured as people make out. Fact is he HASN'T Signed the new contract they offered him in the autumn. He has had a at times fractious relationship with Sammer. And frankly I'm at a loss as to why the so called best coach in the world would want to continue to manage in a one team league which literally presents no competition for his side.

Maybe he'll honour his contract or maybe he'll sign a new one. Or maybe he'll walk because of the reasons above.

Good points, mate.

I hope Pep comes this summer, it would once and for all put an end to any bollocks excuses we've ever had about not having an elite coach.

I'm pretty sure we'll still manage to fuck it up but that's City for you!

Said to Tolmie this morning that I remain convinced something huge will happen this summer. AD are invested way too deep to allow the negativity of this season to threaten the opening of the new tier of the stadium. FFP was a problem last summer.

Also my AD source (c'mon mate you post on here open yourself up) says Mansour was fucking furious with last summer. Can't see him sitting on his hands for another one whilst Madrid or the rags or Chelsea buy all the best toys in the shop.

 

[blueinsa]

IMO whether He comes to City or not his position as Bayern isn't as assured as people make out. Fact is he HASN'T Signed the new contract they offered him in the autumn. He has had a at times fractious relationship with Sammer. And frankly I'm at a loss as to why the so called best coach in the world would want to continue to manage in a one team league which literally presents no competition for his side.

Maybe he'll honour his contract or maybe he'll sign a new one. Or maybe he'll walk because of the reasons above.

Good points, mate.

I hope Pep comes this summer, it would once and for all put an end to any bollocks excuses we've ever had about not having an elite coach.

I'm pretty sure we'll still manage to fuck it up but that's City for you!

Said to Tolmie this morning that I remain convinced something huge will happen this summer. AD are invested way too deep to allow the negativity of this season to threaten the opening of the new tier of the stadium. FFP was a problem last summer.

Also my AD source (c'mon mate you post on here open yourself up) says Mansour was fucking furious with last summer. Can't see him sitting on his hands for another one whilst Madrid or the rags or Chelsea buy all the best toys in the shop.

Lets hope this is the case.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I am delighted and not much surprised that he was furious about last summer. Add in the FFP failure and this year's poor performance and I never really understood the general feeling that everything was under control and on course even a couple of weeks ago. This may have been the message that was put out but it didn't make much sense. Some big pressure on the management right now I would imagine.

 

[blueparrot]

I am delighted and not much surprised that he was furious about last summer. Add in the FFP failure and this year's poor performance and I never really understood the general feeling that everything was under control and on course even a couple of weeks ago. This may have been the message that was put out but it didn't make much sense. Some big pressure on the management right now I would imagine.

I took it to mean furious with UEFA not those at the club, otherwise they wouldn't still be here.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Said to Tolmie this morning that I remain convinced something huge will happen this summer. AD are invested way too deep to allow the negativity of this season to threaten the opening of the new tier of the stadium. FFP was a problem last summer.

Also my AD source (c'mon mate you post on here open yourself up) says Mansour was fucking furious with last summer. Can't see him sitting on his hands for another one whilst Madrid or the rags or Chelsea buy all the best toys in the shop.

I remember you saying about Sheikh Mansour not being overly impressed last summer.

Going to be a fun summer,just be nice to beat that red shite on Sunday to help roll back the dark clouds.

 

[BillyShears]

I am delighted and not much surprised that he was furious about last summer. Add in the FFP failure and this year's poor performance and I never really understood the general feeling that everything was under control and on course even a couple of weeks ago. This may have been the message that was put out but it didn't make much sense. Some big pressure on the management right now I would imagine.

I took it to mean furious with UEFA not those at the club, otherwise they wouldn't still be here.

No no. Furious with everyone including Begiristain. Something about not signing AD sanctioned targets.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I am delighted and not much surprised that he was furious about last summer. Add in the FFP failure and this year's poor performance and I never really understood the general feeling that everything was under control and on course even a couple of weeks ago. This may have been the message that was put out but it didn't make much sense. Some big pressure on the management right now I would imagine.

I took it to mean furious with UEFA not those at the club, otherwise they wouldn't still be here.

No, furious with the execs for fucking up on certain transfers.

 

[bondsman]

It's been a strange season. A lot of people gave up on the title the first time we slipped behind Chelsea in the autumn and to some extent since then, even during our winning run in winter, many remained convinced that we wouldn't be strong enough to catch them.

It's been a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy because since the new year the performances have too many times reflected the defeatist attitude of the support all season. It's chicken and egg though because supporters will say they reflect the performances.

Ultimately it's been a disappointing campaign and if we're honest there has been a small but vocal minority who don't like Pellegrini full stop, and never have. This mixture was always going to lead to there being very little appetite to believe or focus on the run in if we fell behind Chelsea as we have.

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

Nonsense mate. How on earth does this forum affect the players or club? Do you honestly take this that seriously? Also at games I rarely hear anything but support for players despite the performances. Same for the manager.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Are you suggesting the fans caused our slump in performance? Drivel if so.

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

Nonsense mate. How on earth does this forum affect the players or club? Do you honestly take this that seriously? Also at games I rarely hear anything but support for players despite the performances. Same for the manager.

Can you not read? He said the fans haven't caused the slump.

and of course we haven't helped, not had a direct impact maybe, but there has been very little passion in the stands at the game, we have been stale for most of the season.

I think you're just trying to twist his words into something they are not.

 

[BillyShears]

I'm not saying the fans caused the slump at all. I am saying the fans haven't helped. Not at the ground not on social media and not on this forum.

Nonsense mate. How on earth does this forum affect the players or club? Do you honestly take this that seriously? Also at games I rarely hear anything but support for players despite the performances. Same for the manager.

Can you not read? He said the fans haven't caused the slump.

and of course we haven't helped, not had a direct impact maybe, but there has been very little passion in the stands at the game, we have been stale for most of the season.

I think you're just trying to twist his words into something they are not.

Thanks mate. It's a vicious circle for me. You turn up expecting to be entertained. Your not. Jump on a forum or Twitter and lay into the manager and a few players. There's a drip drip effect in terms of what mindset you take to the Match. The supporters may not directly impact certain aspects of a performance but they can influence the energy the team has positively.

 

[NQCitizen]

Nonsense mate. How on earth does this forum affect the players or club? Do you honestly take this that seriously? Also at games I rarely hear anything but support for players despite the performances. Same for the manager.

Can you not read? He said the fans haven't caused the slump.

and of course we haven't helped, not had a direct impact maybe, but there has been very little passion in the stands at the game, we have been stale for most of the season.

I think you're just trying to twist his words into something they are not.

Thanks mate. It's a vicious circle for me. You turn up expecting to be entertained. Your not. Jump on a forum or Twitter and lay into the manager and a few players. There's a drip drip effect in terms of what mindset you take to the Match. The supporters may not directly impact certain aspects of a performance but they can influence the energy the team has positively.

Tbh I feel like everyone has this voice at the back of their mind saying "you'll never beat the Aguero moment".

No matter how good it gets it won't be that good.

 

[stony]

Tbh I feel like everyone has this voice at the back of their mind saying "you'll never beat the Aguero moment".

No matter how good it gets it won't be that good.

I don't ever want it to be that good again. To experience the same high as the Aguero moment would mean having to go through the hell that preceded it.
Give me a nice 10 point gap, no sweat, runaway title win any day of the week.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Blaming UEFA would be like blaming the weather. He pays a lot of money to people to make sure they buy the right umbrella and he still got wet. Furious would be about right, I imagine.

I am delighted and not much surprised that he was furious about last summer. Add in the FFP failure and this year's poor performance and I never really understood the general feeling that everything was under control and on course even a couple of weeks ago. This may have been the message that was put out but it didn't make much sense. Some big pressure on the management right now I would imagine.

I took it to mean furious with UEFA not those at the club, otherwise they wouldn't still be here.

 

[FanchesterCity]

So... Pep's coming next year (rolls eyes).

So we're in the market for an interim manager for 1 year, or slog it out with Pellegrini. Either players don't know he's coming (but some of the fans do), or the players do know he's coming and have lost faith on Pellers, knowing Pep's in the pipeline.

Bayern meanwhile remain clueless about all this, since it's all very hush hush, and Pep's comments on one day wanting to manage United are a cunning ruse. His move to Bayern has bored him, since he had no idea before moving there what the German league was like or that his team would dominate everybody else. Having learned this, he's now shocked and disappointed, and fancies a return to stress with City. As a lover of the stress in his previous role at Barca, he fancies more of the same at City, only with less capable players just to make it a bit more stressful.

He's particularly impressed by a club that's waited 3 years for him, and who were bitterly disappointed that Mancini won the title and ruined their plans. He even had to take a year off to get over the diappointment, and accept the underwhelming role at Bayern, another boring European giant.

Aye, all sounds legit to me.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Excellent. Some clarity at last after 126 pages.

So... Pep's coming next year (rolls eyes).

So we're in the market for an interim manager for 1 year, or slog it out with Pellegrini. Either players don't know he's coming (but some of the fans do), or the players do know he's coming and have lost faith on Pellers, knowing Pep's in the pipeline.

Bayern meanwhile remain clueless about all this, since it's all very hush hush, and Pep's comments on one day wanting to manage United are a cunning ruse. His move to Bayern has bored him, since he had no idea before moving there what the German league was like or that his team would dominate everybody else. Having learned this, he's now shocked and disappointed, and fancies a return to stress with City. As a lover of the stress in his previous role at Barca, he fancies more of the same at City, only with less capable players just to make it a bit more stressful.

He's particularly impressed by a club that's waited 3 years for him, and who were bitterly disappointed that Mancini won the title and ruined their plans. He even had to take a year off to get over the diappointment, and accept the underwhelming role at Bayern, another boring European giant.

Aye, all sounds legit to me.

 

[BobKowalski]

So... Pep's coming next year (rolls eyes).

So we're in the market for an interim manager for 1 year, or slog it out with Pellegrini. Either players don't know he's coming (but some of the fans do), or the players do know he's coming and have lost faith on Pellers, knowing Pep's in the pipeline.

Bayern meanwhile remain clueless about all this, since it's all very hush hush, and Pep's comments on one day wanting to manage United are a cunning ruse. His move to Bayern has bored him, since he had no idea before moving there what the German league was like or that his team would dominate everybody else. Having learned this, he's now shocked and disappointed, and fancies a return to stress with City. As a lover of the stress in his previous role at Barca, he fancies more of the same at City, only with less capable players just to make it a bit more stressful.

He's particularly impressed by a club that's waited 3 years for him, and who were bitterly disappointed that Mancini won the title and ruined their plans. He even had to take a year off to get over the diappointment, and accept the underwhelming role at Bayern, another boring European giant.

Aye, all sounds legit to me.

Pretty much where we are. Oh and the fans are being negative on social media. This from the guy who spent the Mancini years drowning us in a sea of negativity. I mean hello.

 

[OB1]

Nonsense mate. How on earth does this forum affect the players or club? Do you honestly take this that seriously? Also at games I rarely hear anything but support for players despite the performances. Same for the manager.

Can you not read? He said the fans haven't caused the slump.

and of course we haven't helped, not had a direct impact maybe, but there has been very little passion in the stands at the game, we have been stale for most of the season.

I think you're just trying to twist his words into something they are not.

Thanks mate. It's a vicious circle for me. You turn up expecting to be entertained. Your not. Jump on a forum or Twitter and lay into the manager and a few players. There's a drip drip effect in terms of what mindset you take to the Match. The supporters may not directly impact certain aspects of a performance but they can influence the energy the team has positively.

I can only see the atmosphere at the Etihad as a negative and one that could easily make some players edgy.