Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[SebastianBlue]

How exactly would you cull such data? And what is significant? You are playing unquantifiable games with worse here.


It's not a false issue. It's a request we keep things legal and evidence based. It's not an either conviction or accusation issues..Convict all the sex crimes. But convict!!!

I said nothing about the increasing chargers and conviction rate. Frankly, I said the opposite. I want more charges and convictions..What I oppose, is public opinion convictions on accusation claims..


You made up a strawman and arguing against it. We do apply the standard of evidence and legal conviction to all laws.


See, so you've just claimed I was arguing against conviction. But in fact you are the one who is against conviction. You are the one who wants a different standard than worths the norm for crimes.

Huh, you mean the statistically significant and verifiable data provided by many, many reputable sources I have already referenced in the thread that supports what I am saying and absolutely no data from any source to support what you are saying?

You can’t just make things up and then say there’s no way to quantify or verify your claims, therefore they are not only valid but more valid than claims that are actually quantified and verified.

You continue to use self-substantiated, circular reasoning to make nonsensical arguments.

I would start educating yourself with these resources:

UK

Rape, sexual assault and child sexual abuse statistics

Want to know how many people are raped, sexually abused or sexually assaulted? We have key statistics from trusted sources showing the scale of the problem.

rapecrisis.org.uk

Sexual offences in England and Wales overview - Office for National Statistics

Data on sexual offences from the year ending March 2022 Crime Survey for England and Wales, police recorded crime, and victim services.

www.ons.gov.uk

Reviews and reports - Victims Commissioner

2024 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015

victimscommissioner.org.uk

US

Fast Facts: Preventing Sexual Violence |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

Adolescents and adults are often unaware that teens experience dating violence

www.cdc.gov

Scope of the Problem: Statistics | RAINN

Sexual Violence has Fallen by More than Half Since 1993.

www.rainn.org

Statistics

Learn more on our Questions and Answers page.

www.nsvrc.org

And nowhere have I argued against conviction or a different standard applied to legal proceedings. But society has never (and cannot for it to function) relied solely on the formal justice system to enforce consequences. And that is especially the case when it comes to sex crimes, the vast majority of which are perpetrated by men against women, and the vast majority of which go unpunished for myriad reasons already expounded upon in the thread.

You haven’t even clarified what you are arguing. Unless you are saying none of us should be discussing this and media shouldn’t be investigating or reporting on it, and that only law enforcement and the courts should be involved with absolutely no public awareness or pressure, which is essentially advocating for the status quo of centuries of nearly no men committing sexual crimes being held accountable.

Again, I don’t think even you know what you are actually advocating for, other than some simplistic “everyone is innocent until proven guilty”, even though that only applies to the formal justice system, we all grew that is an important tenet for a functioning society, and it is not even what most of us are debating.

I am disengaging with you now until I see some evidence you have actually educated yourself on this subject (for which I have spent quite a lot of time analysing data in both the UK and the US).

 

[Dax777]

Huh, you mean the statistically significant and verifiable data provided by many, many reputable sources I have already referenced in the thread that supports what I am saying and absolutely no data from any source to support what you are saying?

You can’t just make things up and then say there’s no way to quantify or verify your claims, therefore they are not only valid but more valid than claims that are actually quantified and verified.

You continue to use self-substantiated, circular reasoning to make nonsensical arguments.

I would start educating yourself with these resources:

UK

Rape, sexual assault and child sexual abuse statistics

Want to know how many people are raped, sexually abused or sexually assaulted? We have key statistics from trusted sources showing the scale of the problem.

rapecrisis.org.uk

Sexual offences in England and Wales overview - Office for National Statistics

Data on sexual offences from the year ending March 2022 Crime Survey for England and Wales, police recorded crime, and victim services.

www.ons.gov.uk

Reviews and reports - Victims Commissioner

2024 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015

victimscommissioner.org.uk

US

Fast Facts: Preventing Sexual Violence |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

Adolescents and adults are often unaware that teens experience dating violence

www.cdc.gov

Scope of the Problem: Statistics | RAINN

Sexual Violence has Fallen by More than Half Since 1993.

www.rainn.org

Statistics

Learn more on our Questions and Answers page.

www.nsvrc.org

And nowhere have I argued against conviction or a different standard applied to legal proceedings. But society has never (and cannot for it to function) relied solely on the formal justice system to enforce consequences. And that is especially the case when it comes to sex crimes, the vast majority of which are perpetrated by men against women, and the vast majority of which go unpunished for myriad reasons already expounded upon in the thread.

This is just dumb. But since you aren't engaging I'll pass on explaining why it is. Or perhaps let those who you like explain why it's dumb.

You haven’t even clarified what you are arguing. Unless you are saying none of us should be discussing this and media shouldn’t be investigating or reporting on it, and that only law enforcement and the courts should be involved with absolutely no public awareness or pressure, which is essentially advocating for the status quo of centuries of nearly no men committing sexual crimes being held accountable.

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Of course I find it despicable. Please please please it was never the standard of the time.

The first time I ever saw him I was repulsed. Everything about him screamed sexual deviancy. So I'm not a fan in anyway shape or form. That he has grown older and doesn't ooze leftist decadence from every pore isn't surprising either.

He said he has found religion and a North compass. Good for him. But if his past actions that are crimes and if proven then he should be charged, sentenced and locked up.

And there are many more from the hollywierd cult that should follow.

All that said , I'm a little uncomfortable with this format of reporters doing exposes for clicks and government officials ( yes, I consider the UK parliament part of government) pressuring private organizations to unperson someone on the basis of allegations.

That's my position. And I stand on it.

Again, I don’t think even you know what you are actually advocating for, other than some simplistic “everyone is innocent until proven guilty”, even though that only applies to the formal justice system, we all grew that is an important tenet for a functioning society, and it is not even what most of us are debating.

Look up.

I am disengaging with you now until I see some evidence you have actually educated yourself on this subject (for which I have spent quite a lot of time analysing data in both the UK and the US).

Feel free. It's still ( for now) a free country.

 

[ballbag]

Feel like I'm in Run Lola Run when I try and catch up on this thread.

 

[cleavers]

Feel like I'm in Run Lola Run when I try and catch up on this thread.

I keep viewing it (part of being a moderator), and to be quite honest, there is very little to catch up on, there's very little or no "new" news.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I keep viewing it (part of being a moderator), and to be quite honest, there is very little to catch up on, there's very little or no "new" news.

Can you PM me when that changes.
Thanks.
G’night all.

 

[cleavers]

Can you PM me when that changes.
Thanks.
G’night all.

Probably not :-) you can do your own reading, if you're that interested haha.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Another comes out on Sky.

 

[mexico1970]

I keep viewing it (part of being a moderator), and to be quite honest, there is very little to catch up on, there's very little or no "new" news.

Pick up a torch and march on the castle like everyone else FFS :)

 

[Stephen230]

He’s made a post on Twitter. Doesn’t mention the allegations. Just crying about what a difficult week it’s been for him and begging for people to follow his ramblings on something called ‘Rumble.’ Which I assume is a similar platform to YouTube. But without the bar on him making money. Oh and something about Big Pharma.

 

[SebastianBlue]

He’s made a post on Twitter. Doesn’t mention the allegations. Just crying about what a difficult week it’s been for him and begging for people to follow his ramblings on something called ‘Rumble.’ Which I assume is a similar platform to YouTube. But without the bar on him making money. Oh and something about Big Pharma.

I am no longer on Twxttxr — has Brand begun selling “It could happen to any of you!” merchandise yet?