Do Aliens actually exist ?

There will be microbial life it already arrives on earth on the back of spacecraft and meteorites.
-dabz- said:
Ever considered the possibility it's about dimensions and not space?
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That’s an area we don’t know much about, but some physicist‘s do talk about parallel universes that may run along next to ours and that’s how UFO’s negotiate the planets in and out of one dimension.
Distance would be no object then
 
The universe is extremely old - some 13.7 billion years. And light travels at nearly instantaneous, but finite and fixed, speed (299,792,458 meters/second in a vacuum). And thus, the observable universe is unimaginably vast. Within the observable universe, there are an estimated 2 trillion or so galaxies, comprising 200 billion trillion stars, and among these stars, say 10^25 (1 followed by 25 zeros, or 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) planets and similarly many moons.

Among these 10^25 potentially observable planets - intelligent life seems all but certain.

And this is just the observable universe. Perhaps the universe extends - as many astrophysicists believe- without end. In which case there are an infinitude of planets among which intelligent life might exist - and thus, intelligent life, however unlikely, must be infinitely present.

And our universe might not be alone. There may exist infinitely many universes in numerous plausible but theoretical ways - the quantum many-worlds hypothesis for example.

It's hubris to think that we are the lone, singular intelligent species among all the rocky outcrops, moons and planets gravitationally bound - or possibly free-roaming - to all the stars present in all the galaxies in all the universes.
 
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If they do exist and they live among us as some people claim, it would go some way towards explaining the clown world shit show we are living in at the mo.

Do they exist?..Fuck knows, nobody does. It's all down to whether you believe those who claim they do...

UFO's on the other hand most definitely do. I've seen at least forty over the years and most, barring one or two, were witnessed with other people present. The most impressive one was with five other people whilst camping at the Nant Gwynant campsite at the foot of Snowden, one of the remotest campsites I've ever been to. I'll be brutally honest, I damn near cacked myself and was ready to dive in the river to get away from it. It started out as a small white light coming from the direction of Capel Curig that would blink twice before disappearing then it would reappear about a minute later getting closer all the time. After about ten minutes watching it, by now getting close to us, it started to appear as an orange sphere. Very defined. It was a totally clear night and this thing made no sound at all. At this point, it had travelled up the valley to one side but after a few more minutes it appeared to be headed over towards us till it was directly above us before blinking out. My mate had one of those squillion candle power torches and shone it in the area we had seen it last. The moment he switched his torch on this thing reappeared in the torch beam and shot off in a massive zig zag leaving an orange trail in it's wake that faded after a few moments. Whatever it was shot behind a small cloud and didn't reappear till hours later, this time looking like a tiny white light flying away from us with an erratic flight pattern similar to a butterfly or a moth, it was all over the place.
What can I say? It happened. There is more strangeness to this episode but I CBA and will leave it at that.
 
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-dabz- said:
If they do exist and they live among us as some people claim, it would go some way towards explaining the clown world shit show we are living in at the mo.

Do they exist?..Fuck knows, nobody does. It's all down to whether you believe those who claim they do...

UFO's on the other hand most definitely do. I've seen at least forty over the years and most, barring one or two, were witnessed with other people present. The most impressive one was with five other people whilst camping at the Nant Gwynant campsite at the foot of Snowden, one of the remotest campsites I've ever been to. I'll be brutally honest, I damn near cacked myself and was ready to dive in the river to get a way from it. It started out as a small white light coming from the direction of Capel Curig that would blink twice before disappearing then it would reappear about a minute later getting closer all the time. After about ten minutes watching it, by now getting close to us, it started to appear as an orange sphere. Very defined. It was a totally clear night and this thing made no sound at all. At this point, it had travelled up the valley to one side but after a few more minutes it appeared to be headed over towards us till it was directly above us before blinking out. My mate had one of those squillion candle power torches and shone it in the area we had seen it last. The moment he switched his torch on this thing reappeared and shot off in a massive zig zag leaving an orange trail in it's wake that faded after a few moments. Whatever it was shot behind a small cloud and didn't reappear till hours later, this time looking like a tiny white light flying away from us with an erratic flight pattern similar to a butterfly or a moth, it was all over the place.
What can I say? It happened. There is more strangeness to this episode but I CBA and will leave it at that.
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That aliens - and indeed intelligent beings exist - seems logically inescapable.

That aliens live secretly among us - is the stuff of conspiracy theories - possible - certainly; but logically implausible and entirely without evidence.

That unidentified objects flying in our atmosphere exist - well, obviously so. Do these constitute sightings of aliens? It's possible, but improbable, and entirely without proof - again the stuff of wonderful, fictional x-file episodes, and deluded conspiracy theories.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
That aliens - and indeed intelligent beings exist - seems logically inescapable.

That aliens live secretly among us - is the stuff of conspiracy theories - possible - certainly; but logically implausible and entirely without evidence.

That unidentified objects flying in our atmosphere exist - well, obviously so. Do these constitute sightings of aliens? It's possible, but improbable, and entirely without proof - again the stuff of wonderful, fictional x-file episodes, and deluded conspiracy theories.
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The first part was just a joke mate...
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Cheers.

It's a sad observation about society that one cannot readily distinguish over-the-top irony from heartfelt belief.
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Just to be clear...I have never claimed my experience was aliens. That would be pure speculation. But that said, it deffo wasn't some tripe like mass hallucination or chinese lanterns, swamp gas ect... It seemed to react to my mates torch which I suppose could be coincidence..But I still think that's stretching it a bit. What was it?...Fuck knows.
 
-dabz- said:
If they do exist and they live among us as some people claim, it would go some way towards explaining the clown world shit show we are living in at the mo.

Do they exist?..Fuck knows, nobody does. It's all down to whether you believe those who claim they do...

UFO's on the other hand most definitely do. I've seen at least forty over the years and most, barring one or two, were witnessed with other people present. The most impressive one was with five other people whilst camping at the Nant Gwynant campsite at the foot of Snowden, one of the remotest campsites I've ever been to. I'll be brutally honest, I damn near cacked myself and was ready to dive in the river to get away from it. It started out as a small white light coming from the direction of Capel Curig that would blink twice before disappearing then it would reappear about a minute later getting closer all the time. After about ten minutes watching it, by now getting close to us, it started to appear as an orange sphere. Very defined. It was a totally clear night and this thing made no sound at all. At this point, it had travelled up the valley to one side but after a few more minutes it appeared to be headed over towards us till it was directly above us before blinking out. My mate had one of those squillion candle power torches and shone it in the area we had seen it last. The moment he switched his torch on this thing reappeared in the torch beam and shot off in a massive zig zag leaving an orange trail in it's wake that faded after a few moments. Whatever it was shot behind a small cloud and didn't reappear till hours later, this time looking like a tiny white light flying away from us with an erratic flight pattern similar to a butterfly or a moth, it was all over the place.
What can I say? It happened. There is more strangeness to this episode but I CBA and will leave it at that.
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You can't end the story like that...
 
Bill Walker said:
It may be we are completely alone
12 possible reasons why we haven't encountered aliens.

https://www.space.com/37157-possible-reasons-we-havent-found-aliens.html

I like No 2.
There is no intelligent life besides us. (This assumes, of course, that humans count as intelligent.)

Humans may well be intelligent, we can build a nuclear bomb.......but how stupid are we for having 4000 of them dotted around the place, just waiting to destroy our planet :)

For those who have an interest in the subject , you might find this interesting.
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/search?q=fermi's+paradox
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No mate
 
grunge said:
this is how I feel about it, the Universe is so huge that there will be life out there somewhere. even if its just 1 per galaxy thats still at least 100bn chances.
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Humans have existed for less than 0.0000001% of the universes lifetime so it's obvious that life elsewhere has probably existed, still exists today and will exist in the future.

The problem really begins by asking whether we by chance happen to be alive at the same time as intelligent life which has developed the technology needed to overcome the physics involved to make contact. The answer to that question is already clear as there is zero proof of any contact with life outside Earth.

That doesn't mean they don't exist, for all we know there are aliens out there asking the same question. The physics of space travel at the huge distances needed to get to somewhere else basically means we'll never know.
 
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