Do the red scouse want it more than us?

[Deleted member 58678]

Their fans seem desperate to win the title. We don't particularly. We obviously want it, but i don't think we are as desperate to win it as they are or we were two years ago.

Their fans have been welcoming their team bus to the ground, they've been getting into the ground early so they can encourage the team while they're warming up, they've been very impressive in getting behind their team because they see that this is their chance to get back into that group of teams who can keep qualifying for the CL every season with United dropping down and Spurs and Arsenal just not getting any better than they have been for years now, plus they might also view it as their real big chance to win the league with us and Chelsea doing worse than we should have this season. Also, as much as we've all taken the piss out of them for the over the top Hillsborough stuff (you can understand the family and friends of the 96, but thousands upon thousands showing this faux grief for it all is a bit tiresome now) but they are really showing a proper togetherness about it all and having it all help drive them on.

Whereas we all know we are going to be an elite team in this country and know, if it's not this year, it will be another that we win the title and we know we'll keep qualifying for the CL. There isn't that desperation in our set of fans. It doesn't mean we don't want it but i would say we don't want it as much as they do.

Different circumstances for both sets of fans

Player wise, well, eleven wins on the bounce compared to indifferent form from us, may indicate the same. But i think, similarly to the fans, they obviously want it but Liverpool seem more desperate to win it. Do our players have the same "if it's not this year, it will be another year" outlook?the Sunderland performance would certainly think that there is a certain complaicency within our ranks. Liverpool haven't been great of late but i think that is a fear of losing rather than a complaicency.

So in response to the original question, yes i would say the red scouse want it more than us.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I agree with you fella, and I know it's a bit "left-field" but some of it is down to style of football, imo.

We are quite ponderous and slow in our build up whereas the scousers are swift and attack with pace. That lifts crowds and gets them on the edge of their seat and helps with atmosphere.

I'm sure there are many factors and that could well be one of them. But then the last few matches I have watched at Anfield, there isn't an empty seat before kick off, they're all singing YNWA and waving their flags whereas at our place the ground has been a third empty at kick off. People can kid themselves that it's all media bullshit but that really is the way it has looked to me in recent weeks and I take no pleasure in making those observations and I certainly have no axe to grind. I find it pretty astonishing that anyone on here would particularly criticise someone for starting a thread that basically questions whether their fans want it more than ours because if we stop looking at it through our blue tinted specs I'd say it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask under the circumstances.

But they are having an Incredible run in an incredible season, totally out of the blue after years of failure. This is their 98-99 season, whereas for us we expect to be challenging for the title and are slightly flat that it seems to have nearly gone. If you go on their forum there's a huge thread about their atmosphere which mirrors the dozens you get on here: no singing, all old men, what happened to the Kop passion etc. it's only the last half dozen games which have seen them lift it. We would have done the same if it were us, like in 99 when we went on that run to the playoffs, and it felt like the club were rising from the dead.

And the thread questions whether the fans and the players 'want it'. It's the sort of clichéd sentiment which irks me, a bit like all this 'playing for the shirt' nonsense. If Liverpool 'want it' too much against Chelsea nerves can get the better of them of and them blow it. I'm sure they are all desperate to win the title, but I think our lads are too.

I accept pretty much all that you say and as I have said I completely realise that it has only happened since they have realised that they are in with a big shout for the title ie over the last 4-6 weeks. I also think, as someone else has said, that it is inevitable that they will be more excited in the sense that they haven't won it for 24 years and we won it 24 months ago. I'm not saying there aren't excuses/reasons but it is a reality that at the moment our ground is very quiet and theirs is very loud so I think it is reasonable for the OP to ask the question. I still think the levels of apathy in the stands at our ground are an issue though. I'm not one generally for telling people they shouldn't leave early or that kind of thing, it pisses me off when people start off all that but then over recent games I have been astonished at how few people bother to turn up for kick off and how many leave early and how many just sit in silence and only bother to open their mouths to grumble. I have no idea what the answer is but whichever way you cut it, it isn't great and it certainly isn't going to give the team any kind of boost. The only point that I would take issue with you is that you are saying that things are flat because we are seeing that the title is nearly gone. Well it has nearly gone now but it hadn't at the start of that Sunderland game, we were still right in the thick of things but I was genuinely shocked by what I perceived as being apathy both on the pitch and in the stands that night. It doesn't matter what had happened at Anfield, the Sunderland match was not good enough in any respect imo. If I am wrong and it was because the players are just knackered after a demanding season then that's fair enough, it is difficult from the side to know what is lack of desire and what is physical tiredness and I may have jumped to wrong conclusions about the players in that match. And I also accept that there has probably been lots of introspection on here since then and people are probably getting introspection fatigue but tbh I have not read most of that, I have tended to keep myself to other threads over the last week or so. I don't think I have even looked at the Pellegrini thread since Anfield. I haven't been able to face it.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Despite being all seated, the Kop still has the ability to generate atmosphere similar to the past. Seems to be a more collectively committed body of fans, in one large mass behind the goal.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'm sure there are many factors and that could well be one of them. But then the last few matches I have watched at Anfield, there isn't an empty seat before kick off, they're all singing YNWA and waving their flags whereas at our place the ground has been a third empty at kick off. People can kid themselves that it's all media bullshit but that really is the way it has looked to me in recent weeks and I take no pleasure in making those observations and I certainly have no axe to grind. I find it pretty astonishing that anyone on here would particularly criticise someone for starting a thread that basically questions whether their fans want it more than ours because if we stop looking at it through our blue tinted specs I'd say it is a perfectly reasonable question to ask under the circumstances.

But they are having an Incredible run in an incredible season, totally out of the blue after years of failure. This is their 98-99 season, whereas for us we expect to be challenging for the title and are slightly flat that it seems to have nearly gone. If you go on their forum there's a huge thread about their atmosphere which mirrors the dozens you get on here: no singing, all old men, what happened to the Kop passion etc. it's only the last half dozen games which have seen them lift it. We would have done the same if it were us, like in 99 when we went on that run to the playoffs, and it felt like the club were rising from the dead.

And the thread questions whether the fans and the players 'want it'. It's the sort of clichéd sentiment which irks me, a bit like all this 'playing for the shirt' nonsense. If Liverpool 'want it' too much against Chelsea nerves can get the better of them of and them blow it. I'm sure they are all desperate to win the title, but I think our lads are too.

I accept pretty much all that you say and as I have said I completely realise that it has only happened since they have realised that they are in with a big shout for the title ie over the last 4-6 weeks. I also think, as someone else has said, that it is inevitable that they will be more excited in the sense that they haven't won it for 24 years and we won it 24 months ago. I'm not saying there aren't excuses/reasons but it is a reality that at the moment our ground is very quiet and theirs is very loud so I think it is reasonable for the OP to ask the question. I still think the levels of apathy in the stands at our ground are an issue though. I'm not one generally for telling people they shouldn't leave early or that kind of thing, it pisses me off when people start off all that but then over recent games I have been astonished at how few people bother to turn up for kick off and how many leave early and how many just sit in silence and only bother to open their mouths to grumble. I have no idea what the answer is but whichever way you cut it, it isn't great and it certainly isn't going to give the team any kind of boost. The only point that I would take issue with you is that you are saying that things are flat because we are seeing that the title is nearly gone. Well it has nearly gone now but it hadn't at the start of that Sunderland game, we were still right in the thick of things but I was genuinely shocked by what I perceived as being apathy both on the pitch and in the stands that night. It doesn't matter what had happened at Anfield, the Sunderland match was not good enough in any respect imo. If I am wrong and it was because the players are just knackered after a demanding season then that's fair enough, it is difficult from the side to know what is lack of desire and what is physical tiredness and I may have jumped to wrong conclusions about the players in that match. And I also accept that there has probably been lots of introspection on here since then and people are probably getting introspection fatigue but tbh I have not read most of that, I have tended to keep myself to other threads over the last week or so. I don't think I have even looked at the Pellegrini thread since Anfield. I haven't been able to face it.

I don't think we are too far away from each other in our opinions, mate. I wasn't at the Sunderland game so can't comment, but others have been flat. But at the risk of repeating myself, apart from on a very few occasions it's always been like that at the new stadium. It is a problem that can be largely cured with the new stand. If the stadium has one loud voice, instead of two quiet ones, lots more people will join in a lot more often.

We've always been a nervous and tense fanbase, too, after years of unpredictability.

You are wise to stay away from the Mancini thread. Fear, loathing and insanity still lurks there ;-)

 

[Challenger1978]

Their fans seem desperate to win the title. We don't particularly. We obviously want it, but i don't think we are as desperate to win it as they are or we were two years ago.

Their fans have been welcoming their team bus to the ground, they've been getting into the ground early so they can encourage the team while they're warming up, they've been very impressive in getting behind their team because they see that this is their chance to get back into that group of teams who can keep qualifying for the CL every season with United dropping down and Spurs and Arsenal just not getting any better than they have been for years now, plus they might also view it as their real big chance to win the league with us and Chelsea doing worse than we should have this season. Also, as much as we've all taken the piss out of them for the over the top Hillsborough stuff (you can understand the family and friends of the 96, but thousands upon thousands showing this faux grief for it all is a bit tiresome now) but they are really showing a proper togetherness about it all and having it all help drive them on.

96 died, 776 were injured including 1 poor sod that was in a coma for 8 years, Thousands upon thousands were caught up in the crush.

Liverpool supporters were allocated the North and West ends (Leppings Lane), holding 24,256 fans

 

[noise]

I think they are motivated more. The year marks the Hillsborough anniversary which has given them additional motivation and they have a real chance at winning the league for the first time in 24 years.

Many teams struggled this season, weather due to injuries, or manager churn, I am not so sure they will have as good a chance next season. Chelsea is probably getting a decent striker, Pellegrini is going to resolve the defensive and bench depth issues, Tottenham might get their stuff together, Rags will probably spend a lot...

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Despite being all seated, the Kop still has the ability to generate atmosphere similar to the past. Seems to be a more collectively committed body of fans, in one large mass behind the goal.

The Kop holds 12000 and has a low roof. Makes a huge difference, that.

At our place a whole end, Level 1 and 2 only holds 5800 and has a high roof. Imagine what the old Kippax must have been like when we had a top side in the 1930s when we were packing in 80000+ and the Kippax itself held 30000, or when we had a decent side in the 1950s when you could get 28000 in the Kippax and it had a roof on..... Must have been fucking fantastic!

 

[ForzaMancini]

Their fans seem desperate to win the title. We don't particularly. We obviously want it, but i don't think we are as desperate to win it as they are or we were two years ago.

Their fans have been welcoming their team bus to the ground, they've been getting into the ground early so they can encourage the team while they're warming up, they've been very impressive in getting behind their team because they see that this is their chance to get back into that group of teams who can keep qualifying for the CL every season with United dropping down and Spurs and Arsenal just not getting any better than they have been for years now, plus they might also view it as their real big chance to win the league with us and Chelsea doing worse than we should have this season. Also, as much as we've all taken the piss out of them for the over the top Hillsborough stuff (you can understand the family and friends of the 96, but thousands upon thousands showing this faux grief for it all is a bit tiresome now) but they are really showing a proper togetherness about it all and having it all help drive them on.

96 died, 776 were injured including 1 poor sod that was in a coma for 8 years, Thousands upon thousands were caught up in the crush.

Liverpool supporters were allocated the North and West ends (Leppings Lane), holding 24,256 fans

Don't think he was arguing it wasn't a tragedy that affected thousands of people directly and indirectly. As he said, it's faux grief, those affected obviously would be genuinely grieving. The younger Liverpool fans are massive grief junkies.

 

[Champions2012!]

Their players want it more than our players definitely.

 

[Sky Blue]

Their players want it more than our players definitely.

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