Donald Trump

[SWP's back]

The American electorate dont seem to give enough of a fuck about it all in large enough numbers to want to get rid of him and to a majority it seems they just dont care or dont believe any of it.

What crack are you smoking? You’re either unaware of the current situation/history or both.

A higher percentage of Americans support his impeachment and removal from office than did for Nixon a week before his resignation. Not that that matters one iota. The House HAD to impeach him on the evidence given during the investigation. To not have done so, on political grounds (ie they didn’t want it to militarise the pro-Trump vote in 2020) would have been wholly wrong.

As for “it’s seems a majority don’t care” what polls are you looking at? It’s 50 vs 43% supporting impeachment and removal and that’s on Fox. (7% undecided)

 

[SWP's back]

It honestly feels that politics there and here now will be a never ending demand for justice through a court and a refusal to accept a democratic vote and result.

Only if you’re a fucking idiot. This is nothing to do with the election and doesn’t remove the Republicans from power.

 

[blueinsa]

What crack are you smoking? You’re either unaware of the current situation/history or both.

A higher percentage of Americans support his impeachment and removal from office than did for Nixon a week before his resignation. Not that that matters one iota. The House HAD to impeach him on the evidence given during the investigation. To not have done so, on political grounds (ie they didn’t want it to militarise the pro-Trump vote in 2020) would have been wholly wrong.

As for “it’s seems a majority don’t care” what polls are you looking at? It’s 50 vs 43% supporting impeachment and removal and that’s on Fox. (7% undecided)

Well he wont win the election then will he and the world and a few posters on Bluemoon will be rid of him?

Rejoice if the numbers are with you.

 

[pudge]

Well, I suppose you are right. Congress should hurry up an impeach. I must say though,claims of obstruction of Justice where there was no proof of an underlying crime always struck me as odd.

But, Trump is a slimey dude. So at some level he must be doing something worth impeaching over :)

Yup

 

[blueinsa]

Only if you’re a fucking idiot. This is nothing to do with the election and doesn’t remove the Republicans from power.

It was a general comment.

Only a fucking idiot wouldn't have picked that up.

 

[west didsblue]

Well he wont win the election then will he and the world and a few posters on Bluemoon will be rid of him?

Rejoice if the numbers are with you.

Why don't you understand that it's not a good idea to leave a criminal in his job?
An MP that get's caught fiddling his expenses has to resign. Trump's crimes in office are much bigger but they have to wait for the next election to get rid of him? Makes no sense.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Yes and yes.

My point stands. Its a pointless thing to do because it is never going to work.

Democrats would be better served finding a fucking decent candidate with great policy and taking it to the nation because much like the remain campaign over here, their current way of going about getting rid of the **** is going down like a fart in a lift with a huge majority of your fellow citizens.

So you believe a President should never be impeached. That he/she should be in office for good, free to commit whatever crime he/she likes, with the voters having to wait four years until offering their own verdict. What's the point of having Congressional representatives of the people -- so called because they represent the people -- then?

You are taking a "today's politics" approach to a problem the framers foresaw as a potential in the future -- that a President could wield power in the Executive to do whatever he/she wanted. I can't really believe you think impeachment should be tossed over the side as a checks and balances tool. That may be the world you want to live in, but not me.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Probably because he had a bit of integrity unlike this one and it was a different political era.

I've just said that we now live in a time when defeat at the ballot box means nothing to some and where its open trench warfare.

Your side is your side these days and there is nothing to be gained politically by leaving it and going with the opposition.

That is my assessment before posters start frothing at the mouth as is the norm on this thread and others.

He had "a bit of integrity"? Are you serious?

He was going to be wholesale impeached and convicted, that's why he resigned. Barry Goldwater himself told the President the night before he resigned that he thought Nixon had only four very firm votes in the Senate for him.

 

[blueinsa]

Haha this fucking thread.

"Down dogs......down"!

At no point have I stated it's a good idea to leave him in power, I've just said the process to remove him is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Some of these argument are mind-boggling to me.

"Hey, sir, we think we know who was raping your sister."

"Who?"

"That man over there. We have a bunch of evidence, and he's actually even admitted that he did it, but there's not much we can do about it."

"Wait. Why not?"

"Well, see, we have to wait four years before we can prosecute him. And then actually we don't. We ask the people to decide whether he should be removed from his job. not for raping her, but based in whether he was any good at his job."

"What about my sister?"

"Oh. Well, I guess he's free to keep raping her as often as he likes because there's nothing we can do about it."