Donald Trump

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You stated it the way the left likes it stated. But let me ask a different question, had Biden not been a 'possible rival' will it be okay for a President to ask that another country investigate possible corruption involving members of the family of a previous administration?


And When Trump leaves office, should Tulsi (Yeah she's hopefully the next President :p) be able to ask Saudi Arabia to investigate Trump dealings? Or should she be impeached if Trump Jnr jumps in the race as a 'potential opponent'?

Like I said, don't like what he did. But I can smell a rat. And while we are on it, I do want Biden, his son and their Burissma crew investigated! Regardless of whether Trump gets removed or voted out next November.

You ask a "different question" because you don't like the answer to the one the rest of us keep asking.

"I don't like what he did . . . but I do want Biden and his kid investigated!" Exactly. The ends justify the means is your moral code. That's fine, but I don't share that view.

If this were all about politics, Reagan and Obama would have been impeached; in fact, we'd have impeachment any time we had aggressive, outspoken divisions and factions within the legislature, which is nearly always.

 

[SWP's back]

Are those MSNBC polls?

Lol.

No.
Lol.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And my take on Blueinsa’s substantive point is that their was integrity in the senate then. Not necessarily with Nixon.
Integrity may be overstretching it, but at least the Republicans then saw that public opinion was against them and chose to do something about it.
Nowadays the way seems to be denial and brazen it out.

"Integrity in the Senate"? Not any more so than today, until the Republicans made the realization that a) the President had lied for 18 months per the smoking gun tape and b) public opinion had so turned against Nixon (which began with the Saturday Night Massacre) that the Republican party was at risk of wholesale defeat in 1976 if Nixon stayed on.

That isn't happening this time because Republicans espoused Republican (i.e. conservative) principles then. It was the platform that mattered. That's what they were trying to defend. Not now. Now it's a cult. It's the personality that matters. So if Trump is destroyed it utterly destroys the Republican party. When Nixon was destroyed, it only destroyed Nixon. The Republicans came back a mere six years after Nixon, after the mess of the Carter administration, with Reagan.

Today the Republican party is Trump Party. All Republicans who disagree either get on board or are cast out as RINOs, or quit (Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan). It's why Never-Trump conservatives are a source of reason in all of this.

 

[mat]

What is Gabbard playing act.

Is she an elected Troll?

 

[pudge]

You people are so annoying with this 'right side of history' nonsense. Too many showing too little God damned sense!.

What we are seeing here is partisan buffoonery. On both sides. To think is anything other, is just Foggy-foolery.

No, what you're seeing is the application of the constitution and nothing more.

Just because you hitched your wagon to the "he'll not be impeached" wagon months, if not years, ago doesn't mean you've to be precious now.

 

[pudge]

And did you notice some in the opposition disagreed with the oppositions position.

This is a charade.

Did you notice that not every vote for impeachment was from Democrats too?

 

[kaz7]

Did you notice that not every vote for impeachment was from Democrats too?

I find the republican changing their vote very suspect,being able to change their minds is open to all kinds of threats and pressure

 

[SWP's back]

Seems this will hurt the demacrats at the next election?

Not at all. His fans would and will vote for him whatever. That’s a solid 35-40% of the electorate, the key is getting the majority of the rest to vote another way. Turnout is the key.

 

[pudge]

I find the republican changing their vote very suspect,being able to change their minds is open to all kinds of threats and pressure

To be fair, BBC were saying on their coverage that it's not uncommon for people to press the wrong button (as there's three and not simply yes/no) and some write their vote in for reliability; also why it could have seemed there was lots still had not voted with seconds to go.

Also it takes a while to rig the car battery to a set of bollocks I'm told.

 

[SWP's back]

POTUS can't break the law,the opposition have to do what his own party won't do,are you saying he can do what he wants?

Don’t even waste your breathe with that wanker.