Donald Trump

[SebastianBlue]

I knew he jumped before a final vote.
The last bit seems about right. I guess it's what happens when you have a partisan blocking group on any matter that they don't like.

Yes, the combination of the totality of Trump’s malevolence, depravity, stupidity, and comprised state, with the power-hunger, sycophancy, fear, and compromised state of the Republicans in the Senate is what really sets the current situation apart from past corruption in US history.

It is quite literally a confluence of factors that the writers of the constitution never envisioned possible.

Which, if we are honest, was a substantial misunderstanding of the frailties of human nature.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Yes, the combination of the totality of Trump’s malevolence, depravity, stupidity, and comprised state, with the power-hunger, sycophancy, fear, and compromised state of the Republicans in the Senate is what really sets the current situation apart from past corruption in US history.

It is quite literally a confluence of factors that the writers of the constitution never envisioned possible.

Which, if we are honest, was a substantial misunderstanding of the frailties of human nature.

My understanding is that the Constitution is written in as high-minded, pure-hearted way possible. It's only because a crook got elected that it's fallen down - most previous incumbents had some kind of moral compass.

Greed can overcome morals, any day of the week. Love of money, and all that.

 

[SebastianBlue]

My understanding is that the Constitution is written in as high-minded, pure-hearted way possible. It's only because a crook got elected that it's fallen down - most previous incumbents had some kind of moral compass.

Greed can overcome morals, any day of the week. Love of money, and all that.

I suppose I just think the US (and UK for that matter) would have been better served by having a few more cynical ****s like you, me, @Trevor Morley's Tache, and @mat amongst those devising the foundations of government.

We wouldn’t have relied nearly as much on societal and political norms to check the powers of those governing. ;-)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Greed can overcome morals, any day of the week. Love of money, and all that.

Nearly every reasonable-in-all-other-ways person I know who supports Trump is saying the same thing: “I don’t like him personally, but I’m glad about the economy/fewer regulations/lower taxes.” If I bring up his amoral actions, the scope and scale of them, the rejoinder is nearly always “but they’re ALL corrupt” as if any other politician would behave the same.

The ends justify the means. They really don’t care a whit about how he acts otherwise as long as the perception is there’s more money in their own pocket.

How can Democrats overcome this?

 

[aguero93:20]

Nearly every reasonable-in-all-other-ways person I know who supports Trump is saying the same thing: “I don’t like him personally, but I’m glad about the economy/fewer regulations/lower taxes.” If I bring up his amoral actions, the scope and scale of them, the rejoinder is nearly always “but they’re ALL corrupt” as if any other politician would behave the same.

The ends justify the means. They really don’t care a whit about how he acts otherwise as long as the perception is there’s more money in their own pocket.

How can Democrats overcome this?

I'm not allowed to answer that question.

 

[kaz7]

This budget will likely not pass given Democratic control of the House, which is going to be another problem (as a budget does need to eventually be passed), but the Trump admin continues to attempt to destabilise the government and cover up the havoc their wealth redistribution reform act (tax cuts that almost entirely benefited the rich and is sending the national debt to record breaking levels). And they still continue to insanely believe the US economy will grow by 3+% annually.

just when i thought he couldn't be a bigger ****,if he is going to try something like that it would help sanders case ?

 

[SebastianBlue]

just when i thought he couldn't be a bigger ****,if he is going to try something like that it would help sanders case ?

Well, it might have...

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Nearly every reasonable-in-all-other-ways person I know who supports Trump is saying the same thing: “I don’t like him personally, but I’m glad about the economy/fewer regulations/lower taxes.” If I bring up his amoral actions, the scope and scale of them, the rejoinder is nearly always “but they’re ALL corrupt” as if any other politician would behave the same.

The ends justify the means. They really don’t care a whit about how he acts otherwise as long as the perception is there’s more money in their own pocket.

How can Democrats overcome this?

I can understand that feeling.
It's been fairly widely reported here that the economy is being built on sand to some degree, with the debt rising fast - hidden issues that no-one notices on a day-to-day basis, and which are therefore harder to sell to people. That and that the rebuild started obviously under Obama and is being ridden by Trump.

Wilful ignorance beats facts all the time.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I suppose I just think the US (and UK for that matter) would have been better served by having a few more cynical ****s like you, me, @Trevor Morley's Tache, and @mat amongst those devising the foundations of government.

We wouldn’t have relied nearly as much on societal and political norms to check the powers of those governing. ;-)

Ha, yes, but we're a few decades down the line from when it was written.
What caused the current situation should keep bookwriters busy for a few decades - surely McConnell can't be explained purely because Obama is a black Kenyan Muslim?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Ha, yes, but we're a few decades down the line from when it was written.
What caused the current situation should keep bookwriters busy for a few decades - surely McConnell can't be explained purely because Obama is a black Kenyan Muslim?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supreme-revenge

A central player, the film finds, is Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY). For the Senate Majority Leader, the confirmation of Kavanaugh — despite Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the 1980s — was a crowning achievement in a career spent building a more conservative Court. It was also the culmination of a vow to retaliate for what McConnell saw as the unfair treatment of President Ronald Reagan’s Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork by Democrats back in the late 1980s.

His wife, Elaine Chao, is also a Cabinet member. She a c*nt, too!