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karen7 said:
Where did he say black kids ? and 22yrs ago ?
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He doesn't say it particularly, but it's inferred just as HRC inferred it when she used the term "super predators".

I know you say 22 years ago, but that system is still pretty much in place and why more Black people are in prison for the same thing as a White person.

The past is present and why the Dems and Biden cannot absolve themselves of today's Black society.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html
 
Bigga said:
He doesn't say it particularly, but it's inferred just as HRC inferred it when she used the term "super predators".

I know you say 22 years ago, but that system is still pretty much in place and why more Black people are in prison for the same thing as a White person.

The past is present and why the Dems and Biden cannot absolve themselves of today's Black society.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.html
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I can see the Hilary comments are offensive but not sure about joes,what really matter now is how America is going to go foward whilst there is real momentum,don will never change that is for sure
 
Far too many excused Trump's abhorrent behaviour and character, on here especially, because apparently it only mattered what he did in office. Well that's been a shit show too.

God forbid the leader of the free world be a decent human being above anything else.

Compering Trump to Biden is apples and oranges. If you are in a position to vote and decide not to, for either, then you're not making a stand you're setting the world back countless, irreparable years and are complicit in doing so. No matter how much you kid yourself that you're doing something good.

"...but they both said bad things" is as childish as constantly referencing "likes" as if they mean anything when you actually look at the two candidates. Once a lifelong racist bigot who has completely dismantled the checks and balances of law and order in America (unlawfully) and the other is Joe Biden.

Are they both perfect? No, nobody has even said that. Excusing one because of the other? Cuntish and yes, it is excusing.
 
pudge said:
Far too many excused Trump's abhorrent behaviour and character, on here especially, because apparently it only mattered what he did in office. Well that's been a shit show too.

God forbid the leader of the free world be a decent human being above anything else.

Compering Trump to Biden is apples and oranges. If you are in a position to vote and decide not to, for either, then you're not making a stand you're setting the world back countless, irreparable years and are complicit in doing so. No matter how much you kid yourself that you're doing something good.

"...but they both said bad things" is as childish as constantly referencing "likes" as if they mean anything when you actually look at the two candidates. Once a lifelong racist bigot who has completely dismantled the checks and balances of law and order in America (unlawfully) and the other is Joe Biden.

Are they both perfect? No, nobody has even said that. Excusing one because of the other? Cuntish.
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That’s some accusation. Name names.
Who on here excused Trump’s behaviour?
 
pudge said:
Far too many excused Trump's abhorrent behaviour and character, on here especially, because apparently it only mattered what he did in office. Well that's been a shit show too.

God forbid the leader of the free world be a decent human being above anything else.

Compering Trump to Biden is apples and oranges. If you are in a position to vote and decide not to, for either, then you're not making a stand you're setting the world back countless, irreparable years and are complicit in doing so. No matter how much you kid yourself that you're doing something good.

"...but they both said bad things" is as childish as constantly referencing "likes" as if they mean anything when you actually look at the two candidates. Once a lifelong racist bigot who has completely dismantled the checks and balances of law and order in America (unlawfully) and the other is Joe Biden.

Are they both perfect? No, nobody has even said that. Excusing one because of the other? Cuntish and yes, it is excusing.
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What utter bollocks!

You're not even arguing your position correctly!

People can vote as they see fit.

The same old shit served up by the same old parties is also why half of America doesn't vote.
 
Bigga said:
He wants to say me, but he'll never find a post where I've excused any behaviour by #45!
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No I don't, I'd say Damocles for starters because he did. He didn't give a shit about his character because he was apparently doing a good job. Thankfully he wised up, if years too late for any rational person.

Not everything is about you, believe it or not.

But as for "utter bollocks".. that response is how I know it's anything but. Continue down your own cul-de-sac of righteousness as you please, the flames will corner you eventually.
 
pudge said:
No I don't, I'd say Damocles for starters because he did. He didn't give a shit about his character because he was apparently doing a good job. Thankfully he wised up, if years too late for any rational person.

Not everything is about you, believe it or not.

But as for "utter bollocks".. that response is how I know it's anything but. Continue down your own cul-de-sac of righteousness as you please, the flames will corner you eventually.
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Hahaha!

So, "righteousness" is choosing Biden? Thank goodness people can write any other name on the ballot, if they don't want either!

Fuck the forced choice.

Vote your conscience however that falls.
 
Bigga said:
Hahaha!

So, "righteousness" is choosing Biden? Thank goodness people can write any other name on the ballot, if they don't want either!

Fuck the forced choice.

Vote your conscience however that falls.
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Apology accepted.
 
Bigga said:
I could give two fucks about the individuals.
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Why? You claim to care about the working class. Yet you dehumanize Biden. You reduce him to cliches and misunderstood policy plank tropes with no evidence. And everyone is telling you you’re wrong to do so. Why should anyone believe that you care about an entire group of people when you don’t give two fucks about one?

Also on your comments earlier about “big business” and “the working class” — who works for big business? If a bank that employs 100,000 people is allowed to fail and it shuts down, what happens to all the “working class people” who are employed by it?
 
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Bigga said:
Apparently as long as he's less problematic than #45, it's all good!

People giving me shit cos I won't go all in and khumbyeyah over the election of Biden!

I've tried to explain that if Dem policies have been poor regarding working class citizens, they're going to look elsewhere to support their cause. It's why #45 got in over Clinton (poor choice to put forward as it was a low voter turnout) and why Progressive candidates are making surges in down ballot races now.

Working class people are fed up with not being listened to.
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No one disagrees. No one is kumbayah over Biden.

Between Biden and Trump who do you support? If it’s anyone but Biden, you help Trump win, which means between the two you support Trump.

It’s not very complicated. No one will think you betrayed the Progressive movement by picking Biden because he’s the better of two imperfect options. I don’t know why you think we will or why you would think you’d be doing so.
 
Bigga said:
He wants to say me, but he'll never find a post where I've excused any behaviour by #45!
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Not professing support for Biden is excusing it. By definition.

And if you’re right about progressives making moves at the grass roots level — and they are in some places — your unwillingness to support Biden is even more baffling. You’d rather Trump win so that Progressives are snuffed out. Ridiculed and shouted down? Martyrs to the cause?
 
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