Donald Trump

[meltonblue]

I think we have to look after Women's rights first and foremost and then work from there. Not the other way round.

I don’t disagree with that. I don’t know what the answer is, nor have I seen one, to what the right answer is to other’s rights.

 

[mackenzie]

You may believe that, but like I said, then why do his work ?
Trump and his like can only succeed where the normal political discourse is perceived to be failing. Western democracies are perceived to be failing because large parts of the electorate feel their voice is ignored . If the Left chooses not to face into its failing ideologies - and judging by the posts on these forums I see little evidence that it will, then we will have our Trump in the UK. You will share as much responsibility for that as those you would call Far right.

Exactly.
A vacuum will be there. Mainly because some refuse to address the issues that affect the majority.

 

[BTH]

More madness incoming... He's sanctioned the ICC now FFS!

And Bibi, bless him, took Trump a golden pager.

The pair of them are sick.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And there you go ...

"But believing that an undecided voter pulls the lever for Trump because he doesn't support slavery reparations, or that the issue is relevant to the center of the bell curve at all, seems . . . silly."

That isn't what I said at all was it and why would you choose slavery reparations ? But anyway...

The point I made was that across Western democracies large portions of the electorate believe they have been adversely affected by globalism and mass immigration, a good many of which are also socially conservative and repelled by identity politics etc .This is evidenced by electoral results and polling and in that context the election of Trump should not not be a surprise and is certainly not irrational. It is I believe a mistake to focus on his personality and believe he is a one off, he isn't.
The secondary point was that those of a left wing bias would be better served by facing into their failing ideologies and revising them to address the concerns of the electorate as opposed to the scornful dismissal of them so evident in many posts on these forums.
I think on that at least you have gone some way to proving my point. Thank you

1) I think you missed the entire point of my post. Read the part I highlighted above. Then go back and read my other post.

2) How do you suggest those with a "left wing bias" (about 48 different posters from the UK have pointed out on these threads that American Democrats are effectively centrists and nothing like "left wing", but whatever) revise their policies to make them more palatable to these scornfully-dismissed Trump voters?

3) "It's the economy, stupid." -- James Carville, 1992. I think that's primarily the reason Trump won: independents were unhappy with inflation.

 

[SamTheGuru]

More madness incoming... He's sanctioned the ICC now FFS!

And Bibi, bless him, took Trump a golden pager.

The pair of them are sick.

UN, ICC, WHO, etc, they have all become running jokes that nobody pays attention to anymore. The people directly involved no longer understand the purpose that they were originally set up for. Sometimes things just need to be reformatted.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You may believe that, but like I said, then why do his work ?
Trump and his like can only succeed where the normal political discourse is perceived to be failing. Western democracies are perceived to be failing because large parts of the electorate feel their voice is ignored . If the Left chooses not to face into its failing ideologies - and judging by the posts on these forums I see little evidence that it will, then we will have our Trump in the UK. You will share as much responsibility for that as those you would call Far right.

Are you saying that today, in the age of the internet, when I can broadcast what I think and feel to millions of people, instantly, all at once, for free, on an infinite variety of platforms in an infinite variety of forums, the average person actually has less attention paid to their voice than before?

Also, you keep using words like "feel" and "believe" with reference to the electorate. I understand politics is perception. I'm beginning to think the solution to the "failing ideology" of the the left is to simply lie their flippin' balls off at every turn.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Some of the most ‘transphobic’ people I know are gay.

Ain't that the truth, a gay guy I know has some choice words to say about transing the gay away. Anyone who thinks this is all sunshine and f**king rainbows needs to look closely at what happened at the Tavistock....

Staff at the Tavistock even joked there would be ‘no gay people left at the rate Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) was going’

Dr Matt Bristow, who worked at the Tavistock Clinic’s Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) for five years, raised concerns that boys and girls who said they wanted to change sex might simply be gay.

He warned gay children were ‘pushed down another path’, towards transitioning, and that there was a ‘reluctance’ from the Gids leadership to engage properly with sexuality.

And the doctor claimed that many heterosexual members of staff ‘just didn’t realise’ that many gender non-conforming behaviours applied just as much to children who grew up to be gay, lesbian or bisexual as to children who would grow up to be trans.

Examples include things like cross-dressing, feeling different, not necessarily fitting in with other children of their own sex, or having friends predominantly of the opposite sex, he said.

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So yes, there's a lot of gays I know who hate trans.

If anyone thinks this is just about being kind and that TERFs are just bigoted haters, go find out why Iran of all places is so keen on transitioning kids.

 

[The perfect fumble]

More madness incoming... He's sanctioned the ICC now FFS!

And Bibi, bless him, took Trump a golden pager.

The pair of them are sick.

He meant the MCC

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This thread has made me very sad.

Whereas I understand that there are different views on the issues related to trans-people, and I myself am conflicted on many policy choices, I am confused and disheartened at the virulence with which some here lump together the support network for the community as out for purely evil ends, or speak of those in the LGTBQ community in such homogenized, derisive, dismissive terms.

Moreover, I feel like in my honest attempt to come to terms with some of the struggles of all who are affected by it, the language here is beginning to border on hateful.

I'm also finding it difficult to understand the obsession with these issues. I deal with it every single day in real terms. I deal with my Aura picture frame with lots of memories and old photos, phone calls, tears, anguish, the whispers of other parents, the kind support of many others, all the while trying to raise good kids who have bright futures and can add value to the world. Yet it is clear some here have done far more research than I have, none of which seems to be balanced in how it's presented. Where are the stories of positive experiences in the community? I hear them from others I know, others who have been supportive, LGTBQ community members and otherwise. Are they all lying to me?

I've been a part of this community at Bluemoon for going on 14 years, and while I've seen plenty of disagreements on a wide variety of topics, and I've been angry, excited, stunned, indignant and joyful in varying degrees, I've never come away close to this depressed.

 

[Vic]

Bird flu.... I think

It's a factor in eggflation but any panic buying is down to Trump. Are they panic buying because of an actual shortage or to beat price rises coming because of his actions?