Donald Trump

Let's hope so.

As you said, there's a ton of collaborating evidence.

As far as Cohen goes, he's a slick peace of lying shit. Anyone who really knows him - based on several interviews I've watched - doesn't trust him at all.

IMO Cohen is wrong about this call and perhaps some other call or in-person conversation with Trump was when the Stormy payoff discussion he recounts actually occurred - or maybe he's embellishing or outright lying in an effort to screw Trump. Beats me. Either way, I think that Trump is guilty as hell.

Were I a juror - I'd really question this part of Cohen's testimony - but would regardless convict Trump. Then again, I'd probably not have made it past Voir dire.

I think this trial really comes down to two things, and a lot of the testimony is actually just distraction.

1. Did Trump know what was going on? Based on the evidence, it seems almost beyond doubt that this is the case, most tellingly because he tweeted about it like a fucking idiot.

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Basically, describing the entire crime in a Tweet is just about the most Trump thing ever.

2. The legal mechanics. It is almost impossible to argue that the business records weren't falsified. These were payments related to a campaign, and entered as legal expenses. It's black and white. But this is a misdemeanour and not a felony. The trial outcome will hinge on whether the jury agree with the Prosecution that this was done in furtherance of another crime. The body of law needed to prove that is not straightforward and it'll be interesting to see how the People position it in closing arguments. I think if they fail to tie the logic together succinctly in a way that makes sense for the jury then the case may well fall down.

Honestly, it maddens me that we're sat worrying about whether the legal technicalities lead to conviction for a case like this when the man is a walking national security threat who has been charged for much more severe and concerning crimes involving documents and fake electors. The people should not be allowed to democratically decide arbitrarily whether somebody is guilty of a crime or not which is effectively what is happening here. That is mob rule not justice.
 
I think this trial really comes down to two things, and a lot of the testimony is actually just distraction.

1. Did Trump know what was going on? Based on the evidence, it seems almost beyond doubt that this is the case, most tellingly because he tweeted about it like a fucking idiot.

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Basically, describing the entire crime in a Tweet is just about the most Trump thing ever.

2. The legal mechanics. It is almost impossible to argue that the business records weren't falsified. These were payments related to a campaign, and entered as legal expenses. It's black and white. But this is a misdemeanour and not a felony. The trial outcome will hinge on whether the jury agree with the Prosecution that this was done in furtherance of another crime. The body of law needed to prove that is not straightforward and it'll be interesting to see how the People position it in closing arguments. I think if they fail to tie the logic together succinctly in a way that makes sense for the jury then the case may well fall down.

Honestly, it maddens me that we're sat worrying about whether the legal technicalities lead to conviction for a case like this when the man is a walking national security threat who has been charged for much more severe and concerning crimes involving documents and fake electors. The people should not be allowed to democratically decide arbitrarily whether somebody is guilty of a crime or not which is effectively what is happening here. That is mob rule not justice.
A jury equals mob justice??
 
A jury equals mob justice??

No, a jury is due process, and one of the more reliable (though flawed) systems used to ascertain guilt. What I’m referring to in my last few sentences is the idea that the electorate can absolve somebody of their crimes by voting them into office. As in, the electorate making Trump president and him then pardoning himself. That is not justice, that is “committing crimes is okay if the majority says so”.

One of the main reasons we have separation between the branches of government is to avoid that eventuality.
 
If only it was the majority but Trump has never actually received the majority of the votes.

Good point, and one which strengthens my argument further.

The whole “you can pardon yourself” thing is like something from a Monty Python skit. Not something that should actually exist.
 
Good point, and one which strengthens my argument further.

The whole “you can pardon yourself” thing is like something from a Monty Python skit. Not something that should actually exist.

Or the Simpsons*.



*Only far worse in real life as Monty Burns didn't actually have any Yes Men in the judiciary.
 
He's ranting outside of court after having another mistrial denied.
Interesting day.

Prosecution rests. They did a good job overall.

The defence now needs to put some holes in the case. 1st up they call a member of their own team to talk through phone records. This is an unusual move as normal approach is to find some expert or employee of a related business to use to validate evidence. Why did they not do that? Cost? Or did they not trust anyone?

2nd up is a Cohen lawyer who worked with Guliani. He's saying Cohen told him he had nothing on Trump. Will have to wait for next week for cross.
 
Just a reminder that DJT current has a market cap (at close today, before this ER) of $6.614 billion.

DJT: Trump Media reports $770,500 revenue for first quarter, net loss of $327.6 million​

  • Trump Media & Technology Group, the parent company of Donald Trump's Truth Social network, reported a net loss of $327.6 million, with total revenue at $770,500 in its first fiscal quarter.
  • DJT shares were relatively flat in post-market trading following the release of the earnings report, which had not been highly publicized prior.
  • TMTG also said it signed contracts with a data center partner and hardware vendor to launch Truth Social's TV streaming platform.

 

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