Donald Trump

[KS55]

Times aren't that hard. It's not the 1920s. Something else is going on.

I think it’s mainly based on immigration fears.

 

[TonyM]

He’s as funny as cancer.

Good one! :-)

 

[SWP's back]

I think it’s mainly based on immigration fears.

It’s hard to say in a sentence or two exactly what it was but there have been several good books written about the reason he was (just about) elected via the EC.

It certainly wasn’t due to it being the hardest times in the last 4,000 years economically.

 

[TonyM]

when has he been genuinely funny ?

In the sense that he is a moron who is liable to do or say anything. He is a village idiot.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Again you’re wrong as real earnings picked up since 2017, when your source was written.

I’m an economist, you picked a seven year period (2010-2017), in Britain, to explain why the US picked a racist fuck to govern them (thanks only due to the electoral college) in the United States.

Your argument is complete and utter bollocks and doesn’t even begin to understand the social and political reasons why Trump was elected in 2016. One reason he wasn’t, was real wage growth in the UK between 2010–2017.

So, if you bothered to read my post, you'd have seen I said I thought but wasn't sure that the same roughly applied in the US.

I'm very pleased you personally can explain Trump (do tell how BTW) but the fact remains that people's real incomes have stagnated for a long time, and populist demagoguery is what you often see in those times, For example in the US prior to Trump's victory (and yes, I know it's not bang up to date, but doubtless as an economist, you can do better, perhaps even without sweary ranting, who knows)

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It’s hard to say in a sentence or two exactly what it was but there have been several good books written about the reason he was (just about) elected via the EC.

It certainly wasn’t due to it being the hardest times in the last 4,000 years economically.

I've already explained what I meant by that, and I provided data for the past 200.

So drop the straw man.

The EC doesn't explain how such a character gets the amount of votes he does.

 

[SWP's back]

So, if you bothered to read my post, you'd have seen I said I thought but wasn't sure that the same roughly applied in the US.

I'm very pleased you personally can explain Trump (do tell how BTW) but the fact remains that people's real incomes have stagnated for a long time, and populist demagoguery is what you often see in those times, For example in the US prior to Trump's victory (and yes, I know it's not bang up to date, but doubtless as an economist, you can do better, perhaps even without sweary ranting, who knows)

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

So you’re aware that median real wage growth was actually at its highest in the last two generations when Trump was elected.

And yes, I believe I have a good understanding of why Trump was elected because I read books rather than 7 year old bbc news articles about the UK economy.

“The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” by Bandy X. Lee (Editor) – A collection of essays from mental health professionals analyzing Trump’s psychological appeal and impact.

“How Democracies Die” by Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt – Discusses the erosion of democratic norms and Trump’s rise.

“The Plot to Hack America” by Malcolm Nance – Focuses on Russian involvement in the 2016 election.

“The Truth Matters” by Bruce Bartlett – Critiques media manipulation during Trump’s campaign.

“The Unwinding” by George Packer – Explores societal and political discontent that led to Trump’s victory.

 

[SWP's back]

I've already explained what I meant by that, and I provided data for the past 200.

So drop the straw man.

The EC doesn't explain how such a character gets the amount of votes he does.

Look at a bell curve of IQ and see what percent is on the left hand side of mean average.

Look at a Venn diagram of Trump voters, Clinton voters and college education. Look at the backlash to changing demographics and the first black US president.

Read the books I list above.

Also it’s not a straw man to argue against a moronic and patently obvious untruth (worst period recorded history), I told you off the bat that it wasn’t remotely true. You asked me to refute it, I did, then you said you meant something different….

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Look at a bell curve of IQ and see what percent is on the left hand side of mean average.

Look at a Venn diagram of Trump voters, Clinton voters and college education. Look at the backlash to changing demographics and the first black US president.

Read the books I list above.

Also it’s not a straw man to argue against a moronic and patently obvious untruth (worst period recorded history), I told you off the bat that it wasn’t remotely true. You asked me to refute it, I did, then you said you meant something different….

I'll leave you to it.

If you want to believe the (lack of) income growth for the middle/working classes has nothing to so with Trump, or the wider you can certainly convince yourself; the evidence would suggest it is a strong contributing factor.

 

[SWP's back]

I'll leave you to it.

If you want to believe the (lack of) income growth for the middle/working classes has nothing to so with Trump, or the wider you can certainly convince yourself; the evidence would suggest it is a strong contributing factor.

Only if you ignore the fact that real wages were the highest they’d ever been when he was elected, sure.