Donald Trump

I have been saying this on here for years. Glad somebody else in the wider media has picked up on it. Over the last few decades we have rightfully fostered a culture of trying to eliminate shame for things where shame shouldn’t exist i.e. “never be ashamed of your identity and who you are”.

Unfortunately there seems to be a whole raft of people who have interpreted that as “don’t be ashamed to be a fucking idiot” or “don’t be ashamed to brazenly lie.”

These things are not remotely the same. Bring back shaming for fools and villains. Bring back booing or the stocks or something.

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
There could be lots of reasons for that.
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When reading on here, I automatically think of the likes of Cletus as the MAGA stronghold, but listening to 5 Live, who are doing a tour and interviewing in the swing states, it becomes clear why so many will vote for him.

Business men, ex-military, religious types, all giving meaningful reasons for voting for Trump. A fairly young black person who had a conservative upbringing talks about those religious values that the Democrats do not have. Small business believing that Trump will do more for themselves rather than the global Dem’s, and military type who see the strong man on the world stage. Of course, there’s the 1 in 3 Cletus, but all have understandable reasons for voting Trump.

Similar to what I found the last time I was over there.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
When reading on here, I automatically think of the likes of Cletus as the MAGA stronghold, but listening to 5 Live, who are doing a tour and interviewing in the swing states, it becomes clear why so many will vote for him.

Business men, ex-military, religious types, all giving meaningful reasons for voting for Trump. A fairly young black person who had a conservative upbringing talks about those religious values that the Democrats do not have. Small business believing that Trump will do more for themselves rather than the global Dem’s, and military type who see the strong man on the world stage. Of course, there’s the 1 in 3 Cletus, but all have understandable reasons for voting Trump.

Similar to what I found the last time I was over there.
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Most of those reasons are only “understandable” in the broadest possible sense that they would would be cogent for supporting a moderate Republican or Democrat that many people just had strong differences of opinion with regarding policy and desired outcomes.

They make absolutely no sense when you actually apply them to Trump, Vance, or really any prominent member of the MAGA movement which will most assuredly be taking cabinet and agency positions if Trump is reelected.

Just because someone can competently articulate a point that is a valid reason to support a candidate, doesn’t mean that the point applies to the candidate, in this case Trump.

The only ones that actually make any logical sense are those regarding the religious fundamentalist agenda, because they have co-opted not only the MAGA movement but also significant portions of the US justice system, with massive help from Trump et al during his presidency. And, even then, that parasitic arrangement is deeply ironic given Trump is the very definition of Godless. He is probably one of the few politicians that meet the biblical description of the Antichrist to come along in quite awhile, which makes the evangelical backing even more hilarious (and disturbing).

I would put the Cletus percentage at 80% for that reason: most aren’t intelligent enough to see that they are advocating and voting against their own interests, but some can speak as if they are, whilst still being blind to what is coming if they get what they want.

The other 20% other the Machiavellian, malicious cunts who actually will genuinely benefit from Trump taking the presidency again—they’ll say and do whatever is necessary to make that happen, including fucking over every other Trump supporter on day one of his second term, if needed.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Most of those reasons are only “understandable” in the broadest possible sense that they would would be cogent for supporting a moderate Republican or Democrat that many people just had strong differences of opinion with regarding policy and desired outcomes.

They make absolutely no sense when you actually apply them to Trump, Vance, or really any prominent member of the MAGA movement which will most assuredly be taking cabinet and agency positions if Trump is reelected.

Just because someone can competently articulate a point that is a valid reason to support a candidate, doesn’t mean that the point applies to the candidate, in this case Trump.

The only ones that actually make any logical sense are those regarding the religious fundamentalist agenda, because they have co-opted not only the MAGA movement but also significant portions of the US justice system, with massive help from Trump et al during his presidency. And, even then, that parasitic arrangement is deeply ironic given Trump is the very definition of Godless. He is probably one of the few politicians that meet the biblical description of the Antichrist to come along in quite awhile, which makes the evangelical backing even more hilarious (and disturbing).

I would put the Cletus percentage at 80% for that reason: most aren’t intelligent enough to see that they are advocating and voting against their own interests, but some can speak as if they are, whilst still being blind to what is coming if they get what they want.

The other 20% other the Machiavellian, malicious cunts who actually will genuinely benefit from Trump taking the presidency again—they’ll say and do whatever is necessary to make that happen, including fucking over every other Trump supporter on day one of his second term, if needed.
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Just an observation, mate, nothing more. There must be a reason, that I do not profess to know, why over 50% of the US voting populous would vote for him. After all, I know that you’re not all ‘dumb fucks’, and those that I have contact with, are definitely not.

And, for context, I would never look at Trump as a leader of my country, my distain for him is well known.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Just an observation, mate, nothing more. There must be a reason, that I do not profess to know, why over 50% of the US voting populous would vote for him. After all, I know that you’re not all ‘dumb fucks’, and those that I have contact with, are definitely not.

And, for context, I would never look at Trump as a leader of my country, my distain for him is well known.
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Just to confirm, I’m not American—I’m English (Manchester) and Spanish (Zaragoza).

I do live in the US but can’t vote, as I am only a legal resident, so I do my best to oppose Trump with my very limited ability and capacity to do so these days (mostly texting outreach campaigns, action coordination, and pro bono data analytics work, as I am able).

I just wanted to add some context to your comments—I wasn’t attacking what you said or you, just pointing out that most of those articulating their reasoning for supporting Trump are doing so out of gullibility, ignorance, and/or malice for their fellow human beings (some just want others to suffer and see Trump as the way to realise that desire, even if they won’t admit it publicly).

At any rate, it’s unlikely it is 50% of the voting populous (that is, all the people who will actually vote in a few weeks) that support him (it’s definitely not 50% of all people that could vote).

But, unfortunately for the US, the insistence on retaining the electoral college—mostly through Republican obstructionism to any alternative (because it’s basically the only way a republican can get elected president at this point)—may see him win the election, anyway.

I hope that doesn’t happen. And am doing my part to avoid that outcome.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Just to confirm, I’m not American—I’m English (Manchester) and Spanish (Zaragoza).

I do live in the US but can’t vote, as I am only a legal resident, so I do my best to oppose Trump in with my very limited ability and capacity to do so these days (mostly texting outreach campaigns, action coordination, and pro bono data analytics work, as I am able).

I just wanted to add some context to your comments—I wasn’t attacking what you said or you, just pointing out that most of those articulating their reasoning for supporting Trump are doing so out of gullibility, ignorance, and/or malice for their fellow human beings (some just want others to suffer and see Trump as the way to realise that desire, even if they won’t admit it publicly).

At any rate, it’s unlikely it is 50% of the voting populous (that is, all the people who will actually vote in a few weeks) that support him (it’s definitely not 50% of all people that could vote).

But, unfortunately for the US, the insistence on retaining the electoral college—mostly through Republican obstructionism to any alternative (because it’s basically the only way a republican can get elected president at this point)—may see him win the election, anyway.

I hope that doesn’t happen. And am doing my part to avoid that outcome.
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I understand what you say and if I thought I had any sort of influence, would say the same. What I do get is that it’s ’their’ system and if Trump gets in then it’s what ‘their’ people want.

From my point of view, I’m just hoping that my government, and our allies, have made plans for a change in US geo-political politics, and if the US decide to drop Ukraine and support the ‘Strong Man’ era, we do not follow suit.
 
Anyone who watches and believes what they are seeing on Fox News when they play carefully selected soundbites is a fucking idiot.

Well done to the VP for calling them out to their faces during her interview. She knew exactly what was going on, and she knew straight away they'd tailored that clip.

 
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