Donald Trump

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Ok, enjoy your tantrum.
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I love that everyone that has the temerity (and devotes the energy) to call you out on your continuous stream of bullshite is just “throwing a tantrum” and needs to “grow up”.

No matter how many people do it, no matter how many times your comments are revealed to be demonstratively false, juvenile, incoherent, or just plain bewildering nonsense (that very much looks like trolling), no matter how many times you say something divorced from reality and then later defend yourself from reasonable rebukes by saying “oh, I don’t know much about this topic” or “I hadn’t really looked in to the incident I was commenting on”, everyone else are the ones that are acting immaturely and need to change their ways.

You’re the only sane person left in the world, it seems.
 
roman totale said:
He’s already laying the groundwork.

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I’d like to think this is indicative of some poor internal polling. In fact, if he thinks he’s gonna lose going into this weekend, I can 100% see him calling the result null and void even before polling day.
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Maybe trying to provoke voters to go and vote to redress the claimed injustice?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet still trump seems to be cutting through as a 'straight talker' while Harris seems to have an issue with public trust?
Not my opinion, just how it seems to be. I don't think Harris was helped by biden hanging on so long and giving her such a short run up to the election
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I don't think Harris has an issue with public trust. There's a lot of vitriol directed at her, and there's a lot of people that are prepared to just accept that vitriol is factual without bothering to check for themselves.

But I think her message is getting across to people that are willing to listen.
 
DutchSMOKE11 said:


hilarious....
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This is what Trump and MAGA operatives do over and over and over again.

They say something wildly nonsensical, or racist, or sexist, or transphobic, or antisemitic, or Islamophobia, or fascist, or completely at odds with their oath of office, or take actions to those effects…

And then, later, they act like they never said or did it at all, calling anyone pointing out they did a liar, despite there being written/recorded evidence and/or eye witness accounts of them saying and/or doing it. Their supporters believe them without question, even when they may have been present when the MAGA operative said or did the thing being highlighted; their supporters will simply adopt a different reality (or set of facts), and reject any evidence that challenges that alternate reality.

This type of gaslighting is a very well known fascist power move, which the likes of Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Orban, and others regularly employ. It is designed to not only wear down and demoralise dissenters, by essentially saying “see, I can say whatever I want, no matter how demonstratively false, and there will be no consequences”, but also undermine the very notion of the existence of objective truth.

Once you have claimed the power to lie without consequence, the next step is to destroy truth itself by convincing most people everything and nothing is a lie.
 
SebastianBlue said:
No, I want Putin rotting in The Hague after a long and very public trial.

Assassinating people like Putin or Trump or Netanyahu only usually acts to make the movement behind them more extreme (and radicalise more people to their cause). Their replacement is most often even worse: just ask yourself who would replace Trump if he was assassinated; hint: their surname rhymes with lance, as in drain a very problematic boil).

See nearly every assassination of a dangerous populist political or terrorist leader that has ever taken place in modern history.

It may have worked in some cases before the era of mass communication, but it doesn’t work now, when people in areas that may not have any direct geopolitical involvement with a cause or conflict can be recruited and radicalised. And there is almost no way to slow or suppress information sharing within these groups.

Political violence almost never achieves its goals, and almost always makes a bad situation worse.

Assassinating Trump now would not only likely hand MAGA the election, it would throw the country in to absolute chaos, and that would be bad for everyone.

He needs to lose the election, be rightly found guilty for all of his criminal and treasonous acts, and put in prison.

Will that solve all of the issues America is currently facing or lead to the complete dissolution of MAGA as a movement? No.

But it is the only option that does not make things worse for everyone.
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If assassinating people drew people to the cause, we'd have a two-state solution by now. Assassination worked for Netanyahu.
 
Vic said:
If assassinating people drew people to the cause, we'd have a two-state solution by now. Assassination worked for Netanyahu.
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The assassination of Rabin worked to worsen the situation for most people as even more extremist ideology strengthened within Israel and Palestine, which was among my points.

Assassination has very seldom lead to less extremism and better conditions for most people involved, especially not in modern times.
 
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