Donald Trump

[Vic]

I'm sure you understand 'inclusion' in the above context is not the same as 'inclusion' in the Critical theory parlance.. The former as you've described it above suggests any person can be a Christian if they follow the precepts of Christianity. Including a bunch of ideas and declining a bunch of other ideas.


The latter is a request to accept one as they are even if their lifestyle violates the principles the religion is founded on.

They are not the same. Inclusion as understood in the latter context is not a Christian value.

So a request to accept someone as they are, even if their lifestyle violates the principles the religion is founded on, is not a Christian value. So why do all these Christians vote in as president someone whose lifestyle violates Christian principles? Way too inclusive.

 

[Vic]

If he was an illegal immigrant, sure. But a Refugee? Absolutely not.

America is one of the most pro Immigrant nations in the World. It's just not pro illegal immigration. It's really not that complicated.

It's another dubious distinction. Egyptian border police - "Now then Joseph and Mary and little baby, I think you're illegal immigrants"
"No, we're refugees."
"Do you have documentation from Herod to prove it?"

 

[Dax777]

I did. And that’s why I said that Republicans are more likely to claim religiosity. Slightly. The idea that one party is overwhelmingly the party of Christianity is clearly bollocks.

It's not bullocks though. But I'll agree to disagree. It's not just that one is more Christian. It's also that it doesn't have a faction that opposes religious rights. The Dems do.

But anyway, appreciate the fair analysis on your part.

 

[Dax777]

So a request to accept someone as they are, even if their lifestyle violates the principles the religion is founded on, is not a Christian value. So why do all these Christians vote in as president someone whose lifestyle violates Christian principles? Way too inclusive.

Last point on this so we don't get penalized for derailing the thread.

Again, sin is not the issue. Presuming sin should be the accepted norm is. A Christian doesn't reject you for having once been a killer. Grave sin, yes. But if you seek forgiveness and accept that this is your son, then you are fine.

But if you say, I like to act in X way that's against your religion. But you should accept me the way I am. That won't fly.

Anyway, you probably disagree.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Religion belongs nowhere near government, or public life. The idea that some people hide behind religion to commit atrocities or generally behave like a c**t, and then think saying a few Hail Mary's or waving a Bible around outside St John's Church in Lafyette Square, DC somehow makes everything okay is utterly abhorrent to me.

Also, parents and pupils should be able to freely opt out of any form of religious education in schools, public or private. Religion should be a personal thing and should in no way impinge on the lives of those who don't follow the same set of beliefs.

 

[Vic]

Religion belongs nowhere near government, or public life. The idea that some people hide behind religion to commit atrocities or generally behave like a c**t, and then think saying a few Hail Mary's or waving a Bible around outside St John's Church in Lafyette Square, DC somehow makes everything okay is utterly abhorrent to me.

Also, parents and pupils should be able to freely opt out of any form of religious education in schools, public or private. Religion should be a personal thing and should in no way impinge on the lives of those who don't follow the same set of beliefs.

Why should religious beliefs be excluded as factors in forming legislation? The last government was passing legislation saying unsafe countries were safe. Whatever belief system lay behind that (it wasnt religion), it impinged on people's lives.

(Trump would be abhorrent with or without his pretence of faith.)

 

[Delboy352]

I know he hasn’t sat there yet for his second term, but what’s the feeling about the NEXT President after Trump?? Donald Snr (jigging the Constitution, as he’s the only? President to serve 2 terms non sequentially, Donald Jr, Eric, Barron or Shady Vance??

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Why should religious beliefs be excluded as factors in forming legislation? The last government was passing legislation saying unsafe countries were safe. Whatever belief system lay behind that (it wasnt religion), it impinged on people's lives.

(Trump would be abhorrent with or without his pretence of faith.)

I'm not saying legislation shouldn't include religious beliefs in their entirety, but it should be limited to factors that affect the freedom to practice whatever religion you want to so long as it doesn't affect anyone else as laid down in the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

The 'free exercise thereof' part to me includes the freedom to choose whether you partake or not. Religion should not be forced upon anyone, and no law should exist which is based solely on the grounds of religion.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Hush money case delayed again.

 

[Dax777]

Hush money case delayed again.

The point of the case on the first place was to tie him up in court in other to slow or stop his Presidential run.

Considering it has failed, the judge would most likely overturn the ruling. He is just milking it s little longer.