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[SWP's back]

Depends on their goals and time frames.

Selling [now] at an all time high isn't always the best strategy in the long term. It may just crystallise a smaller return.

Probably best just to wait ill the boys in the City fuck it up again.

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Probably best just to wait ill the boys in the City fuck it up again.

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I've shit stained kecks that make more sense than you. You're a coward, whenever anyone posts a rebuttal that has you flummoxed, you disappear and then pop up after a while with the same old right wing bollocks.

 

[Davs 19]

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I've shit stained kecks that make more sense than you. You're a coward, whenever anyone posts a rebuttal that has you flummoxed, you disappear and then pop up after a while with the same old right wing bollocks.

I've kept out of this thread as very few with any sort of conviction tend to change their mind about who, or more pertinantly, what they will or will not vote for.

What I will say is that, in my experience on here, the accusations you level at the poster your quoting, are light years from the truth.

Are you flummoxed ? Generally speaking when someones recourse is to insult another poster, they've lost the debate.

 

[SWP's back]

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I've shit stained kecks that make more sense than you. You're a coward, whenever anyone posts a rebuttal that has you flummoxed, you disappear and then pop up after a while with the same old right wing bollocks.

Look, you haven't posted a rebuttal.

Here, this may help:

rebuttal
n. evidence introduced to counter, disprove or contradict the opposition's evidence or a presumption, or responsive legal argument.

Now, no where did you counter my statement that the markets have never been stronger.

You instead introduced a strawman, which is logical fallacy. To save you looking it up:

A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

Have another go.

 

[Bill]

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I've shit stained kecks that make more sense than you. You're a coward, whenever anyone posts a rebuttal that has you flummoxed, you disappear and then pop up after a while with the same old right wing bollocks.

can we stay civil please.

 

[Clevers]

Don't count your chickens but if as was quoted by the Youngov guy on Sunday politics this slender 4 point lead delivers again at the weekend then a trend may start to be forming. The tories are beginning to falter especially with this £12billion hole in their budget from welfare spending, and sending out the incompetent IDS on the Andrew Marr show hasn't helped. Its a tough week for Labour too having to speak to business leaders about the EU membership. Then there's the final debate for Cameron because he bottled the head to head. I'm not saying we'll know either way by the weekend who is going to win but its going to be an entertaining week for politics.

Count my chickens? Firstly I am going from a poll of polls on the BBC website from the link i provided, not one individual poll, secondly i said as it stands, of course things can change, a week is a long time in politics and all that, and thirdly, I am not a Tory, i will be voting Green, a real socialist party, not the sorry excuse that is Labour who are just Tories with red ties on.

I was trying to give some objective analysis of how things stand going from the poll of polls, something a lot of people on here are have trouble doing,

I like a lot of the Greens policies, but will be interesting to see how TUSC poll, as we definitely need a true left party again

The one thing that is certain in this election is that, apart from in their imagination, TUSC will be totally irrelevant.

 

[SWP's back]

Eh?

You haven't a clue son.

Then why don't you attempt to enlighten him rather than your usual patronising one line insults?

Well for a start, 'the markets' are at an all time high.

No?

Nothing? No pithy one line reply?

How about the fact inflation is at zero (which is a good thing) due to falling global oil prices?

Or that interest rates are used to control inflation by making borrowing more expensive? With inflation low, there is no need to hike up interest rates.

As I said before, it was a clueless statement.

 

[DelToro]

Probably best just to wait ill the boys in the City fuck it up again.

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I rather think there are several million people in this country who know first hand the"cyclical nature of investments ( what a lovely phrase!) a damn sight better than you do,

 

[SWP's back]

Thank god we've moved from being a market economy to a market society.

Increasing share holder value is everything

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I rather think there are several million people in this country who know first hand the"cyclical nature of investments ( what a lovely phrase!) a damn sight better than you do,

I very very much doubt that. I doubt very much there are several thousand that do.

And they are. Well sort of.

Imagine the markets as being a tide that is coming in.

There are waves that wash up and down the shore but each wave that washes up, comes in slightly higher than last and each time it falls back, it doesn't fall back quite as far.

But if you want to go toe to toe with me on economics and market principles then please, be my guest, it'll be fun.

 

[blue cigar]

You see. What's happened here is a multiperson stawman orgy.

Poster a: the markets don't lie
Me: you don't know what you're talking about son
Poster c: enlighten us
Me: the markets have never been stronger
Poster d: I'll tell the people at the food banks
Chabal: something where he didn't understand the cyclical nature of investments
Poster d: something else

All ignoring the fact 'poster a' was clueless and that if the markets don't lie then the economy is well placed. Which was my point.

I rather think there are several million people in this country who know first hand the"cyclical nature of investments ( what a lovely phrase!) a damn sight better than you do,

I very very much doubt that. I doubt very much there are several thousand that do.

And they are. Well sort of.

Imagine the markets as being a tide that is coming in.

There are waves that wash up and down the shore but each wave that washes up, comes in slightly higher than last and each time it falls back, it doesn't fall back quite as far.

But if you want to go toe to toe with me on economics and market principles then please, be my guest, it'll be fun.

Proof if ever it was needed that money does not buy class......