Edin Dzeko announcement.

[Raggi01]

Blue_faith,

I can respect your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it.

But could you please explain to me how do you rationalize the statement that for a striker (which Dzeko is) "goals doesn't mean anything"? How can goals not mean most, much less anything when we are talking about a striker? Isn't a striker's main job to score?

I agree that Dzeko looks clanky and awkward on the field (probably because he's just too tall), especially next to short and well coordinated Tevez and Aguero - but he does score. How can you ignore that? Or yet better, why would you ignore that? Especially when for the past 18 months he has scored more often than any other City player per minute of play.

He has got a very good record of goals per minute, no one is disputing that. But there is a lot more to it than that, the team rarely plays as well with him in the side.

Our worst performance of the season was against Dortmund, with him in the side. Our only 3 good performances of the season were the Charity Shield, Fulham and Sunderland and he didn't start in any of them. Of course that is not all down to him, but it's a recurring theme.

And contrary to an earlier poster, I don't think he is a grafter, in fact it's one of my major criticisms of him that when we don't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough to win it back. Seems like a lovely guy though.

That is unfair on Edin though. I recall last season with him and aguero constantly in the side, we demolished teams. I recall mullering spurs in their own backyard 5-1. Its after Mario started coming in that we went into our bad rut. Edin coming off the bench at madrid made something happen. Tevez was running around like a headless chicken half the time until he dropped back and Edin came in. To say that Edin coming into the side and starting being the cause of our bad performances unfair. You have to blame defense, the formation, Joe Hart's bad start which he has incredibly recovered from.

 

[CityCTID]

Disagree with that.

At the moment he's a lot more valuable than Mario.

Dzeko's a confidence player who was low on confidence. Within the game time he's been given recently he has been scoring and showing that he is getting back to the Dzeko we were seeing at the beginning of last season. He was unstoppable.

I always defended Mario when he first came and was getting a lot of stick, but now I've had enough.

Edin's a grafter unlike Mario.

We will just have to agree to disagree

Yet I see no acceptable reason to say Mario is more valuable than Edin

That's ok by me, people at the club who know football can sees it...

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[pudge]

We will just have to agree to disagree

Yet I see no acceptable reason to say Mario is more valuable than Edin

That's ok by me, people at the club who know football can sees it...

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Must be true then if Gazzetta says it, I mean, Sneijder has be playing brilliantly for us and United don't you think..

Also, if the club knew Mario was more valuable to them, why has Dzeko played more?

You say that anyone who defends Dzeko must be Bosnian, but all you do is defend Mario so surely you must be Italian..

Also, you have yet to give a reason as to why Mario is more valuable than Edin, all you've done is recycle Mancio's go to "you don't know anything about football" line

 

[CityCTID]

Blue_faith,

I can respect your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it.

But could you please explain to me how do you rationalize the statement that for a striker (which Dzeko is) "goals doesn't mean anything"? How can goals not mean most, much less anything when we are talking about a striker? Isn't a striker's main job to score?

I agree that Dzeko looks clanky and awkward on the field (probably because he's just too tall), especially next to short and well coordinated Tevez and Aguero - but he does score. How can you ignore that? Or yet better, why would you ignore that? Especially when for the past 18 months he has scored more often than any other City player per minute of play.

He has got a very good record of goals per minute, no one is disputing that. But there is a lot more to it than that, the team rarely plays as well with him in the side.

Our worst performance of the season was against Dortmund, with him in the side. Our only 3 good performances of the season were the Charity Shield, Fulham and Sunderland and he didn't start in any of them. Of course that is not all down to him, but it's a recurring theme.

And contrary to an earlier poster, I don't think he is a grafter, in fact it's one of my major criticisms of him that when we don't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough to win it back. Seems like a lovely guy though.

That is unfair on Edin though. I recall last season with him and aguero constantly in the side, we demolished teams. I recall mullering spurs in their own backyard 5-1. Its after Mario started coming in that we went into our bad rut. Edin coming off the bench at madrid made something happen. Tevez was running around like a headless chicken half the time until he dropped back and Edin came in. To say that Edin coming into the side and starting being the cause of our bad performances unfair. You have to blame defense, the formation, Joe Hart's bad start which he has incredibly recovered from.

Very selective memory there, but hey ho, surely we've to blame defense, the formation, Joe Hart's bad start and everything else because Dzeko can do no wrong ever, well according to certain fanatics!!! fucking hell

He's a good player no doubts , BUT still Dzeko shouldn't start. The thing is, when he comes off the bench (at tired legs), he plays well as y'd expect that, he makes some exceptional movement, dragging the ball out wide and even making an effort to drop back when necessary.

Start him though, and he can be quite a ghost. His touch is frequently poor and he just won't fit in to the natural and traditional set-up Mancini is usually trying to induce. The team are at their best when they attack, fluidly moving the ball around allow longer passing interplay to continue creating chances through Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Tevez et al.

Does Dzeko fit into that mould? Can he play up front alone striker? Not really

 

[Comrade Buka]

I guess Sam is a Bosnian, too. :-)

Everyone who likes Dzeko is Bosnian. That has already been established.

Same as everyone who has anything remotely critical to say about Mancini is a rag. That too has already been proved in a court of law.

 

[DaveTheYid]

There should be a poll on who is City's greatest ever player.

 

[glassyeyes]

Blue_faith,

I can respect your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it.

But could you please explain to me how do you rationalize the statement that for a striker (which Dzeko is) "goals doesn't mean anything"? How can goals not mean most, much less anything when we are talking about a striker? Isn't a striker's main job to score?

I agree that Dzeko looks clanky and awkward on the field (probably because he's just too tall), especially next to short and well coordinated Tevez and Aguero - but he does score. How can you ignore that? Or yet better, why would you ignore that? Especially when for the past 18 months he has scored more often than any other City player per minute of play.

He has got a very good record of goals per minute, no one is disputing that. But there is a lot more to it than that, the team rarely plays as well with him in the side.

Our worst performance of the season was against Dortmund, with him in the side. Our only 3 good performances of the season were the Charity Shield, Fulham and Sunderland and he didn't start in any of them. Of course that is not all down to him, but it's a recurring theme.

And contrary to an earlier poster, I don't think he is a grafter, in fact it's one of my major criticisms of him that when we don't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough to win it back. Seems like a lovely guy though.

Shaelumstash,

The magnitude of the error in your bolded statement above is just shocking.

3 days ago, the Official MCFC website released the "Edin Dzeko Day" on which they printed the club's official statistics on Dzeko and stated that "City have won all 15 Premier League games that Dzeko scored in".

This means, thus far if Dzeko scored City won every time. Saying that the team does not play well with him on the field is directly contradicting City's position. So the question is: who should I believe?

You or the club?

 

[Shaelumstash]

Blue_faith,

I can respect your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it.

But could you please explain to me how do you rationalize the statement that for a striker (which Dzeko is) "goals doesn't mean anything"? How can goals not mean most, much less anything when we are talking about a striker? Isn't a striker's main job to score?

I agree that Dzeko looks clanky and awkward on the field (probably because he's just too tall), especially next to short and well coordinated Tevez and Aguero - but he does score. How can you ignore that? Or yet better, why would you ignore that? Especially when for the past 18 months he has scored more often than any other City player per minute of play.

He has got a very good record of goals per minute, no one is disputing that. But there is a lot more to it than that, the team rarely plays as well with him in the side.

Our worst performance of the season was against Dortmund, with him in the side. Our only 3 good performances of the season were the Charity Shield, Fulham and Sunderland and he didn't start in any of them. Of course that is not all down to him, but it's a recurring theme.

And contrary to an earlier poster, I don't think he is a grafter, in fact it's one of my major criticisms of him that when we don't have the ball he doesn't work hard enough to win it back. Seems like a lovely guy though.

Shaelumstash,

The magnitude of the error in your bolded statement above is just shocking.

3 days ago, the Official MCFC website released the "Edin Dzeko Day" on which they printed the club's official statistics on Dzeko and stated that "City have won all 15 Premier League games that Dzeko scored in".

This means, thus far if Dzeko scored City won every time. Saying that the team does not play well with him on the field is directly contradicting City's position. So the question is: who should I believe?

You or the club?

You should work in PR. What about the 36 other league games that he's played in and not scored?

Listen, I've made this point so many times that I won't make it again. You've got 2 choices, read what I actually say and try to understand it, or invent something in your head that you suggest I am saying and try to argue with me about that.

I am not saying Dzeko is shit.

I am not saying all Dzeko fans are Bosnian.

I am saying the vote for player of the month goes up by 700% when Dzeko is nominated because he has such fanatical support from Bosnia.

That is not to say he doesn't have many fans in England, of course many people rate him.

I actually made the exact point that it was not solely down to Dzeko that we were poor against Dortmund. Surely by the same measure, it was not soley down to Dzeko that we were terrific against Spurs?

It is my opinion, and that of Mancini's (thankfully) that our two best strikers are Tevez and Aguero. You can throw all of the stats at me you like, my opinion is based on watching the games, and so is Mancini's (thankfully).

 

[Bosno]

When I was browsing the Bluemoon thread about who should be the player of the month, people overwhelmingly said Dzeko should. Unless all the people on Bluemoon are also Bosnian, I don't see how you can argue that Dzeko winning by that margin is solely the work of Bosnians. I mean, I'm sure that Bosnians did vote more, but I'm also sure that the vast majority of non-Bosnians also voted for Dzeko. I'm basing this on the Bluemoon player of the month thread. I don't see the problem with the vote count going up so much when mostly everyone agreed on who should win. Also, wasn't the vote on facebook this time? While some argue that this means that this is why a lot of Bosnians voted, it can also be argued that facebook in general is an easier and more accessible media to vote in so more people voted in general. Again, I'm not sure if this was the first time it was done on facebook or not.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

I must be Bosnian because I love Dzeko and would have him over Tevez.