Edin Dzeko

[NorCalBlue]

For the love of God, can we consider the "two-thread solution" - lock this thread and create two new ones ; pro-Dzeko and con-Dzeko.

Won't someone think of the children?

 

[Barcon]

 

[blink922]

For the love of God, can we consider the "two-thread solution" - lock this thread and create two new ones ; pro-Dzeko and con-Dzeko.

Won't someone think of the children?

There's a great "Dzeko is a god, everything else is dirt" thread on Big Soccer, we don't need that here.

 

[cleavers]

the anti-bosnian attitude on this forum is making me sick to the stomach.

if you're racist, support another club because this club does not tolerate racists and racism.

Calling you a WUM is racist ? Wow.

since you like going around the forum and randomly calling people "wums" .. where was you yesterday when a poster in the Fernandinho thread called me a bosnian ?

Sorry I know I should read every post, but my life gets in the way of that, but I've seen enough of yours to know what you are. For future reference, if you are upset by a post you can always use the "report" button.

 

[Matty]

/ TO MATTY – Moderator /

I was reading some of your posts ( in last months ) with discomfort. I dont agree with quite a lot of things you have said and i really HOPE that i will change your opinion on at least few of them.

You can try, if I don't agree with you however I'll say as much.

1) Saying that Bosnian see Dzeko as football god is an insult to the Bosnians as 3th rate football nation. Bosnia and former Yugoslavia was caled european Brasil and was known as a region of very talnted technical players and great footbalers and still is. And those people DOES unterstand football very god. Posters here are mainly saying that Dzeko is better than someone else ,, none of them ( are small number ) said that he is better than Falcao, Cavani, ....

I wish I could share your opinion that our Bosnian supporters are realistic in their assessment of Dzeko's abilities, however we've had hundreds of pages of posts that would indicate otherwise. Bosnia, as a footballing nation, is relatively new. Yugoslavia was a great footballing nation, but it was made up of what are now many separate countries, so obviously the talent is more spread now and each country has less talented players as a result. The level of obsession with Dzeko, both on this website an the wider internet, is a strange and sometimes scary phenomenon.

2) You constantly are putting Aguero in the debate. If people are saying that Dzeko is better than Negredo. And you constantly saying that Negredo AND AGUERO are better. That is helping one side.

Am I wrong in my opinion that Negredo AND Aguero are better? No. Plus you're ignoring that fact that, as a partnership, Negredo AND Aguero are working far better than Dzeko AND Aguero ever have done.

3) I was astonished when you said that Lewandowski would maybe join in JAN and would fight with Negredo for 2 spot. And that you are not football scout but there must be some talent who would want to fight for 3 striker place. You named i think Lukaku and Benteke. Lewandowski turned down Real Madrid to be first striker if they sold Benzema. The other two mentoned also will never come. One will fight with Torres for 1 spot the other would want to be starter.

On the Lewandowski front, I was merely saying what the British press had said, namely that Dortmund were offering him to English clubs for £7m in January so he didn't join Bayern for free in the summer. Do I think it'll happen? No. If he did join however he'd likely be in a partnership with Aguero, with Negredo as number 3, however as with any player he'd need to earn that position, hence when I said he'd have to fight for the number 2 spot. The main reason I didn't want to name names as to who might join as a Dzeko replacement was exactly this, if I do name names then someone comes along and says "none of them will join" and thinks that negates my argument. That's your opinion and in no way fact. Plus it's very possible, as I said previously, that we are looking at someone else who I haven't even mentioned.

4) YOU have said at least 10 times that Negredo ( and again Aguero ) are bringing more than just scoring. I disagree on at least 2 points
- Dzeko is not great at pasing and holding down ball , Negredo is better but it does not mean that Dzeko can not to those things. The only thing that Negredo is much better is defence play.
- How can you be so sure that Negredo bring the SAME ( ?? ) as Dzeko at scoring. He had only one great season as a lone striker 25 goals ( 8 penaltys ). And after 3,4 good games at City you were 100 % SURE that he brings THE SAME SCORING WISE. I completely disagree. I found it VERY brave thing to say. For example 2 players mentoned before Lukaku and Benteke are similar quality. One can score 20 the other 13. I would not dare to say that they BRING THE SAME. And Dzeko and Negredo are more diferent players than those two are.

On your first point I have to disagree. You claim the only think Negredo is much better at is defensive play. I'd say he was also much better at passing, and his first touch was also far superior, as well as his defensive play. As for the second point, Negredo has scored , in 197 appearances over the last 5 (including this one) seasons 94 goals. Dzeko, in the same period has played 185 times and scored 86 goals. So, Negredo has played 12 more times in that period, and scored 8 more goals. Pretty much identical I'd say.and not based on 3 or 4 games for City.

5) Dzekos past achievements are by far better than Negredos. HE only have 4 best scorer in a league and few matches for Spain. Of course SPAIN is THE BEST TEAM in the world and is harder to be part of IT, but you can not overlook that Dzeko is BEST and SECOND BEST scorer of the EU/WORLD qualifiers. the last one is CURENT as the BEST 11 of EURO QUALIFIERS. You completely overlook that he lead smal Wolfsburg as a main man to be champions in front of great Bayern who is always TOP 5 in the World.

This isn't the past, this is now, what Dzeko has done in the past doesn't really help him perform better right now. As for international performances, that's all well and good, but ultimately not relevant. For starters, as you say, getting games, and goals, for Spain is a damn sight harder than for Bosnia due to the greater quality available to them. Also Spain's group had less games, and they had France so tougher opposition. As for Dzeko's exploits at Wolfsburg, that was nearly 3 years ago now. I'm sure it was impressive at the time, but after 3 years I'd suggest his performances at City are a better barometer as to what we can expect from him.

6) Dzeko would not be so good if he would not have had Misimovic to suply him. It is not accident that he wanted Pjanic, Modric last year in the team and publicly said it. Negredo have an army of Spanish speaking players behind him who naturally spend a lot of time together some are team mates in Spain. Thers inability to speak english makes tham even more conected. Plus Negredo was brought by curent coach and it always in football mean something to be brought by a coach. You are completly ignoring this fact.

The fact you're saying I'm ignoring is that we have far more Spanish speakers than Balkan players. That is true, and maybe due to that Negredo finds it easier to communicate and therefore get chances to score. I have no doubt that Aguero speaking Spanish helps Negredo. So what? If anything that strengthens my opinion that Negredo is a better option than Dzeko. Why? Because he finds it easier to play with Spanish speakers than Dzeko does. We HAVE a lot of Spanish speakers, that's a fact, so if we have a striker who can cope with that better than another why on earth wouldn't I play him more often?!!

I have 2 questions for you:
1) When would be ENOUGH and you will finally say that Pellegrini in not right and the best coach in the world. He used Negredo in 6 league games and 2 CL games in a row. Because he made bad results he will use Negredo again against Tottenham and Swansea at least. When in enough. Would 20 league games in a row with Negredo would be enough to say that he is not right ????

I don't think Pellegrini is the best coach in the World and I can guarantee you will NOT find a single post of mine where I have stated this. I will say Pellegrini is not right to play Negredo ahead of Dzeko when Dzeko proves to me he is the better option, or when Negredo loses form and, like Hart, needs to be replaced in the starting 11. Neither has happened yet. If, in 20 games time, neither has happened, then Negredo will still get more starts than Dzeko.

2) Are you aware that even if Negredo is 10-20 % better player than Dzeko. It goes against all posible football rules that you do not rotate those two at least try to rotate. Especialy if Dzeko is STILL wanted by some TOP teams to be their main man , For example Champions leaguse current finalist Dortmund.

Of course you rotate your players from time to time, but that doesn't mean one won't get a greater proportion of starts than another. Dzeko will, and has, received game time, just less so than Negredo. When Jovetic is finally able to stay fit it will be interesting to see how we get 4 attackers game time.

I wish you all the BEST and would really look forward for your answers.
Thank you

Tried my best to cover most of what you said, can't say I agree on most of it.

 

[oakiecokie]

Its not the critisism.....its how many times you post it..
we are all guilty of it.. its called flogging a dead horse!!.


Talk about being two faced !! Fancy calling him that !!!

seriously oakie...read the fucking blue bit..

Seriously Sam I was taking the piss,something I thought would have been obvious.

 

[Proelia]

ofcourse you don't care what nationality he is . thats why you have to keep talking about bosnia and bosnians. anyone who says anything positive about dzeko is a bosnian according to you. you are really a sick individual. please, seek help.

And you sir are just a WUM, and I say that not in defence of Matty, or as a mod, I say it based on your contribution on this forum thus far.

the anti-bosnian attitude on this forum is making me sick to the stomach.

if you're racist, support another club because this club does not tolerate racists and racism.

No club supports racism but what would you know? you only follwed ours since dzeko signed

 

[oakiecokie]

ofcourse you don't care what nationality he is . thats why you have to keep talking about bosnia and bosnians. anyone who says anything positive about dzeko is a bosnian according to you. you are really a sick individual. please, seek help.

And you sir are just a WUM, and I say that not in defence of Matty, or as a mod, I say it based on your contribution on this forum thus far.

the anti-bosnian attitude on this forum is making me sick to the stomach.

if you're racist, support another club because this club does not tolerate racists and racism.

Well just piss off if you can`t stand the heat !!!! Not one post on here is/has aimed at racism,its only you,you fucking brain dead idiot,who has the the audacity of claiming it makes you sick to the stomach.Good if we are pissing on your racist tone allegations.
COTHO !!!

 

[bandwagon]

And you sir are just a WUM, and I say that not in defence of Matty, or as a mod, I say it based on your contribution on this forum thus far.

the anti-bosnian attitude on this forum is making me sick to the stomach.

if you're racist, support another club because this club does not tolerate racists and racism.

Well just piss off if you can`t stand the heat !!!! Not one post on here is/has aimed at racism,its only you,you fucking brain dead idiot,who has the the audacity of claiming it makes you sick to the stomach.Good if we are pissing on your racist tone allegations.
COTHO !!!

 

[noise]

City lost yesterday, to a team in the relegation zone. City fans were not particularly pleased with that result, or performance. It was exactly the wrong time to start trying to "have a joke" on a City forum. Mocking our failure, taking the opportunity to tub thump for Dzeko, calling Negredo (one half of a very successful strikeforce this season) shit, all of these things will obviously make actual City fans pretty pissed off. You knew exactly what you were doing. You, along with many of our posters who reside, or are originally from, Bosnia, only come of this website, and only "follow" City because of Dzeko. You're not City fans, you couldn't give 2 shits how City play, or what results we get. You'd rather we lost if Dzeko isn't playing, as it fits your agenda of getting him to play no matter what. It's all of this that gets on the nerves of boardmembers who actually support Manchester City. If Dzeko was the best player for the role, and he was regularly scoring goals, contributing throughout the pitch, assisting others, working hard etc then we'd all be delighted with him and want him to play every week. He isn't, so we don't. The problem is that there are numerous boardmembers with Bosnian affilitations who are blinkered to all of this, they don't see the bad in Dzeko's game, and just concentrate on the good. They refuse to view things objectively.

Add to that inaccurate and insulting comments such as the one you've made below and it's hardly a surprise that people are taking the polar opposite viewpoint to yourself.

"pudge is getting alot stick because of his nasty attitude towards dzeko and bosnians in general"

Firstly, Pudge's attitude is not nasty. He simply doesn't rate Dzeko as highly as you do, won't be swayed from his opinion and argues it on a regular basis. None of that is nasty, he's said on far too many occasions for me to be bothered to quote them that he doesn't think Dzeko is shit, but that he does believe we have better options.

Secondly, if Pudge has a "nasty attitude2 towards Bosnians (which he doesn't) it would most likely be triggered by the amount of personal abuse and targetted posting he's getting in this thread from a group of Bosnian posters.

I get that with the historical issues the former Yugoslavian countries have had it is important to you all to be classed as Bosnians, and that you have a less than cuddly relationship with some of your neighbouring countries. However, what you really need to realise here is that we don't give a shit. We don't care that Dzeko is Bosnian. It really doesn't matter to us one iota where he's from. He could be Craotian and we wouldn't care. He could be Serbian. He could be French, German, Argentinian, Malaysian, Egyptian, Brazillian, Australian or Nepalese. We couldn't give a shit. All we care about is what he does on the pitch. If people's attitude towards him is less than complimentary it has the sum total of fuck all to do with him being Bosnian, and if our attitude towards those who blindly defend him and refuse to see what's in front of their faces is less than complimentary it too has the sum total of fuck all to do with them being Bosnian.

So, let me make a few suggestions, which should, be won't, make this thread a better place for all:-

1 - No personal posts. If you disagree with another poster then by all means post counter arguments. Do NOT make posts specifically aimed at another poster, for whatever reason.

2 - Understand that you are dealing with City fans and not Dzeko fans. We want whats best for City which may not always equate to what is best for Dzeko.

3 - Do not use City's poor performances as a way of "point scoring" against actual City fans. We've supported City for years, for decades in many cases, we followed City when they were in League One and total shit, and we follow them now. You follow City because Dzeko is here. When he leaves the club, whenever that may be, you will leave the club too, and go and "support" whichever club it is that we sell Dzeko to. That being the case you are here as "guests", we know where your affiliations lie, we accept that having Dzeko as a City player means having a large number of Bosnians as City fans, you need to accept that we are ACTUAL fans of Manchester City, who ACTUALLY care about our results. Don't take the piss when we lose simply because it allows you to push your Dzeko agenda, you will find your time here will end very quickly if that happens.

4 - Try and grasp that there is a grey area between "Dzeko is a footballing God" and "Dzeko is utter shite", this is the grey area where the majority of us sit, and it's the grey area within which Dzeko actually exists.

5 - Come to terms with the fact that football is a complex game, it is not simply about scoring goals. Stats have never told the real story about anything, there is far more to football then spreadsheets, graphs, and counting goals/assists/crosses. We will use a footballers "performance" IN IT'S ENTIRETY when assessing their worth to the team.

6 - Regurgitation of the same points/arguments is not actually contributing to the debate. If it's been discussed, in depth, many times over, then perhaps it isn't a point worth making again, and again, and again.

TL;DR version: Dzeko is average and Pudge is allowed to troll as much as he wants.

If that one sentence is your assessment and response to everything I've just had to say, then perhaps I should reply in equally brief fashion.

Please, do fuck off. I explained myself, in full. You've clearly chosen to ignore it all and stick to your original opinions of myself, Pudge, and everyone else who doesn't agree with your own views completely. So I reiterate, yet again, my desire that you fuck off. I'm done with you, I refuse to waste my time trying to speak to someone so devoid of the ability to debate, understand common courtesy, and see when someone is actually trying to stop the utter shiteness that is this thread from continuing continuously.

If you were trying to stop this threads shiftiness you wouldn't have sided with the biggest troll on the thread. Have him post more pictures of lamposts would you?

It is my mistake that I thought common courtesy meant supporting MCFC players and not deriding every single one of their accomplishments. I guess the moderator badge allows you to abuse me and other posters on the thread. Well played..