Congratulations on living in America then, the land of the free (as long as you're well off and not black).GM did a study in America where they found that 80% of daily commutes were 40 miles or under. That’s 80% of the population of about 200M adults.
Some people drive considerably longer distances and need hauling capacity, which is much easier to achieve in a diesel/petroleum powered vehicle over longer distances. So be it...don’t get an EV.
However, just because the technology is new, and we have got used to living by burning dinosaur remains for about a century, doesn’t mean there are not large swaths of society for whom an EV should be a no brainer.
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And, please don’t tell me you have to be stinking rich to own/run one! These are two I recently looked at as a 3rd car now we have 4 adults in the house.
We currently have a 2013 Volt (Ampera) with 110,000 miles and not a hiccup. TWO...YES, TWO oil changes on the ICE back up in 110,000 miles, as dictated by the cars onboard computer. It gets about 30 miles of EV in the harsh Chicago winter, and about 50 miles in the warm summers. We plug it into a REGULAR HOUSEHOLD SOCKET in the garage, where it recharges at about 4 MPH...or a full charge from drained battery overnight. That costs about $1.00-1.50 depending upon electricity rates/demand.
The Volt (with a V) was the precursor to the Bolt (with a B) pictured above. The battery tech is proven and just larger in the Bolt, but then they had a lot of room when they took out the ICE equipment in the Volt! The Bolt is about the same size as a BMW i3.
Now, have I checked on how much the kids that mine lithium get paid, or the cost of cobalt recently? No. But, I do know the USA has the largest military budget in the world to help keep the flow of oil passing through the Gulf and to the places (allies) that need it, and that ain’t cheap, either!
Welcome to 1975!Congratulations in living in America then, the land of the free (as long as you're well off and not black).
Here in little old blighty, second hand electric cars are few and far between. New electric cars start at around £30,000 and if you live in a terrace house (the most prevalent house possibly?) with no off road parking and the chance of a charger then you're most probably stuffed.
Governments who try to pick winners don't last long CB . there is room for both and the market will determine the relative merits of both in the decades to come.GM did a study in America where they found that 80% of daily commutes were 40 miles or under. That’s 80% of the population of about 200M adults.
Some people drive considerably longer distances and need hauling capacity, which is much easier to achieve in a diesel/petroleum powered vehicle over longer distances. So be it...don’t get an EV.
However, just because the technology is new, and we have got used to living by burning dinosaur remains for about a century, doesn’t mean there are not large swaths of society for whom an EV should be a no brainer.
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And, please don’t tell me you have to be stinking rich to own/run one! These are two I recently looked at as a 3rd car now we have 4 adults in the house.
We currently have a 2013 Volt (Ampera) with 110,000 miles and not a hiccup. TWO...YES, TWO oil changes on the ICE back up in 110,000 miles, as dictated by the cars onboard computer. It gets about 30 miles of EV in the harsh Chicago winter, and about 50 miles in the warm summers. We plug it into a REGULAR HOUSEHOLD SOCKET in the garage, where it recharges at about 4 MPH...or a full charge from drained battery overnight. That costs about $1.00-1.50 depending upon electricity rates/demand.
The Volt (with a V) was the precursor to the Bolt (with a B) pictured above. The battery tech is proven and just larger in the Bolt, but then they had a lot of room when they took out the ICE equipment in the Volt! The Bolt is about the same size as a BMW i3.
Now, have I checked on how much the kids that mine lithium get paid, or the cost of cobalt recently? No. But, I do know the USA has the largest military budget in the world to help keep the flow of oil passing through the Gulf and to the places (allies) that need it, and that ain’t cheap, either!
If that has some meaning to you then it's totally lost on me bud.Welcome to 1975!
Fair point and this applies to all cars of all types including EV's.Remember watching an interview where the guy said he drove a 35 year old car, the amount of fossil fuel burnt to build a new car far outweighs what it does to keep his on the road, you see fields full of unsold cars because they have to churn them out to keep jobs. Once the reliance on cars drops then you may see a change.
GM did a study in America where they found that 80% of daily commutes were 40 miles or under. That’s 80% of the population of about 200M adults.
Some people drive considerably longer distances and need hauling capacity, which is much easier to achieve in a diesel/petroleum powered vehicle over longer distances. So be it...don’t get an EV.
However, just because the technology is new, and we have got used to living by burning dinosaur remains for about a century, doesn’t mean there are not large swaths of society for whom an EV should be a no brainer.
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And, please don’t tell me you have to be stinking rich to own/run one! These are two I recently looked at as a 3rd car now we have 4 adults in the house.
We currently have a 2013 Volt (Ampera) with 110,000 miles and not a hiccup. TWO...YES, TWO oil changes on the ICE back up in 110,000 miles, as dictated by the cars onboard computer. It gets about 30 miles of EV in the harsh Chicago winter, and about 50 miles in the warm summers. We plug it into a REGULAR HOUSEHOLD SOCKET in the garage, where it recharges at about 4 MPH...or a full charge from drained battery overnight. That costs about $1.00-1.50 depending upon electricity rates/demand.
The Volt (with a V) was the precursor to the Bolt (with a B) pictured above. The battery tech is proven and just larger in the Bolt, but then they had a lot of room when they took out the ICE equipment in the Volt! The Bolt is about the same size as a BMW i3.
Now, have I checked on how much the kids that mine lithium get paid, or the cost of cobalt recently? No. But, I do know the USA has the largest military budget in the world to help keep the flow of oil passing through the Gulf and to the places (allies) that need it, and that ain’t cheap, either!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–1975_recessionIf that has some meaning to you then it's totally lost on me bud.
You know, I've still not got a clue what you're waffling on about.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–1975_recession
You sound so full of doom and gloom!
Turn off Pulp’s “Common People” and put on Republica’s “Ready To Go” if you have to be stuck in the past!
And, I guess there ARE some things hood about America, after all.
Be well.
Government isn’t picking winners, it is investing in the infrastructure of tomorrow and subsidizing emerging technology, in the hope of cleaner air, technological advances, and the future of that technology to improve our lives in ways we have yet to imagine...just like CORPORATE R&D.Governments who try to pick winners don't last long CB . there is room for both and the market will determine the relative merits of both in the decades to come.
Government should stand aside and let the market get on with supplying the energy needs of citizens.
Oil , gas etc will be around for many decades to come , new gas fields being found all the time to be used with new coal fired power plants being built throughout the world with approx 50 years of lifetime before the become too old to operate effectively much like the Homo sapien ( albeit many are not that wise ).
I am 60 pus and given good health will drive an ICE until my eyesight or health doesn't allow me to and like wise will my children and most likely my grandchildren as well.