Empty stadiums at the World Cup

Some facts and information from a local blue who lives and works in SA (and has a Masters in Finance)

Local ticket purchases: The ticket sales system (FIFA rules) has been incredibly complex and up to now, locals have had to apply in a type of merit lottery system, with a low probability of success (most applications were unsuccessful).
Up to now, demand has exceeded supply by a healthy margin.
The OTC - over the counter - sales are only just starting.

The stadia will be full - trust me.

The performance of the local SA team Bafana bafana will not have any negative effect on the match attendances (assuming that they get knocked out very quickly) - few locals give them much of a hope of winning a single game, let alone getting past the group stages.
We have basically one world class player - Steven Pienaar. The rest tend to play in lower foreign leagues or the local PSL (UK Championship level at best - possibly third tier).

Service providers - airlines, hotels etc jacking up prices: This is the subject of intense local media coverage, and some prices have been increased based on the laws of supply and demand, but not by the factors that some bluemooners have quoted.
Many local prices are still dirt cheap by UK standards, and even if increased a bit will be far lower than UK:

Lager - Under 1 pound.
20 Cigarettes - 2 pounds
Petrol - 70p per litre - arond 3 pounds a gallon.
3 Star hotel - around 60 pounds a night

Security: SA has hosted the Cricket world cup, Rugby World Cup, Cricket IPL and a number of other events, with no known reported incidents of tourists being killed, assaulted or mistreated.
The risk of an Al Queda or other terrorist attack is far lower than in London, Paris or Belfast.

Very few people in SA would argue with your disparaging views on FIFA and Monsieur Blatter - the SA taxpayer will be footing the bill for years to come.

Expect Northern European teams to possibly struggle - the local playing conditions will be much more familiar to teams from S America and Southern Europe (Bolivia and Ecquador migh do well in Jo'burg, which is 2,000 metres above sea level)
 
cant really take a tremendous amount of notice off someone who regards steven pienaar as world class!
 
mancboy123 said:
cant really take a tremendous amount of notice off someone who regards steven pienaar as world class!

Erm Pienaar and Fellaini dominated the midfield in the Blue dippers games against us - twice - and that was a big reason we lost on each occasion.

If you believe what you say, then you don't have a very high opinion of our own midfield, now do you?

Perhaps I should have said EPL class - I was not trying to imply that he is in the same league as Xavi, Iniesta etc - that would be ridiculous.

Then again, you cannot really take a temendous amount of notice of a person that does not know the difference betwee "of" and "off".

Doos!<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:00 pm --<br /><br />
marco said:
how much is a blow job off a ladyboy
About ten quid, Marco, and this is by far the most likely source of aggro / brushes with the law / becoming a crime victim for most visitors.
 
That will teach the airlines ,hotels and package companies to stop being greedy barsterds.
 
I was in SA last year watching City no problems what so ever fab country.


I need help i am not a regular poster on hear however i do look every night , i have managed to buy two tickets for every game England play in, including the quarters,semis & final my problem is i am not sure i want to go to all these games and was wondering if anybody would be intrested in buying tickets, if intrested please pm
 
A lot of peoples comments in terms of cost seem to be based on the sensationalist media articles that have been appearing in the press over the last 12 months that are printed when they are clearly short of other news.

I am fully booked and paid for the World Cup and this is how mine broke down:

Return flights from the UK = £570
3 internal flights = £355
17 nights decent accommodation = £770
6 x match tickets = £385
Excursions (Safari, Table mountain, Robben Island, wine tasting) = £110

Total = £2190.

This is obviously not a small amount of money but for a 17 night trip I think it is pretty good and the payments have been spread out over the last 12 months. Also food and drink out there is a bargain so spending money should be pretty reasonable.

In terms of safety I am told that as long as you are sensible, avoid certain areas and don't flash the cash/camera/mobiles then you should be fine. A lot of our time is spent in Cape Town and Port Elizabeth which are supposed to be much safer than Jo'burg anyway.

To the best of my knowledge Englandfans have sold all tickets apart from the 3rd/4th place play off.

I am sure for the vast majority of travelling England fans it is going to be a great experience and a chance to see a fantastic country.

Blatter is however a corrupt tosser.
 
I travel to South Africa alot as I have family out there and can honestly say that I've had more aggro in Manchester than I ever have over there.

Low ticket sales should be good for the locals, as I seem to remember in Japan/Korea that if a stadium wasn't selling well they just bussed in a load of school kids.

Really jealous of those going.
 
corky1970 said:
Uber Blues said:
They cant offer the tickets cheap to the locals because in a lot of places they dont want the locals mixing with tourists. Think muggings/robbery and worse. Bit of a catch 22, they have really snookered themselves. The only solution will be cheap all Inclusive package tours hotel/tickets/food etc.
Bloody pillocks if you ask me!

if they cant offer the tickets cheap because they dont want to be mixing with the llocals dues to robberies etc, then why on earth have the World cup in such a country where these hazards are so prenounced.

this is THE biggest fuck up Of ALL fuck ups to give SA the world cup, 10 years yes, not now, how dare the suits destry this once great competition by removing its one lifeblood .the fans !!!

fuck off FIFA ,

next time Europe or ASIA or south America, forget develping countries, if i wanted to " bring football to the starving or the poor or the disandvantaged" id fucking do it with Sport relief, not with the premier competion of all competitions on this planet!!!

Football is better organised in devolped countries, infastruture, stadia, facilities, transport, hotels..all for the fans.the fans come first

DONT YOU FORGET THAT !!!!

CNUTS

Corky1970, I'm not sure what you source of information is (Sun, NOTW?), but you do not seem to be well travelled or - dare I say it - too well read / educated.
Have you not noticed that those posters that have actually visited the country paint a positive picture?

FYI about half of Europe (mostly the Eastern half), most of Asia and most of South America consists of developing and middle income countries.

Far from keeping locals away from the tourists, SA wants our foreign visitors to experience the friendly hospitable nature of most South Africans, of all races.

Middle income coutries like SA are a mixture of the first world and third world, with much first world infrastructure (stadia, banks, major roads, airports etc) whilst at the same time lots of poverty exists.
Spend some time in Cape Town - one of the 10 most beautiful cities in the world - and you will find it pretty similar to places like Barcelona, Perth and Vancouver.

For those bluemooners coming to SA, enjoy your stay!
 
As another avid Blue sitting in Cape Town, SA, I have to agree with J Bay Blue. The stadia WILL fill and things WILL go smoothly. The only people who might feel the brunt (financially mostly!) of the World Cup being in SA will be the bloody South Africans. The security and every other provision is being upgraded significantly for the period of the WC.

I've been a loyal blue for years now. With some family in Altrincham and having seen em play at Maine Rd in a Burnley derby years back, I've been singing their praises (and occasionally lamenting) without much support here.

There's such a bloody bias to the traditonal top 4. Bunch of glory-hunting bastards! I'm so uber-glad we're giving it to those Scouse bastards.

Got my MCFC home shirt delivered recently and the first time I wore it out, I had 3 people in 15 minutes come and congratulate me on supporting a great team. There's a blue moon rising in Cape Town:)
 
Been to south africa on many occasions and stayed in soweto 3/4 times,ive always found it a safe place and have never once had any mither.

Granted there's crime and poverty in areas but in terms of muggings/murder etc id be much much more worried about Brazil for the next world cup and in terms of football violence then the ukraine/poland for the euro's is insane.

As for tickets now they've finally made it possible for the average person to buy them over the counter then the grounds will be full,only being able to buy online does make it harder for your average person in SA

I've had tons of friends go over for lions tours and cricket with england,none of them got mugged,none of them got shot,they all had the time of their lives and most wanted to move out there for good

As i said this world cup will be much safer as a punter than you will be in brazil or poland/ukraine
 
Well what can i say i am having a North Korea supporters group during the world cup. They should give spare tickets to my supportersgroup me thinks. Long live the dear leader and hero of our socialist paradise!
 
wilmslowblue said:
Well what can i say i am having a North Korea supporters group during the world cup. They should give spare tickets to my supportersgroup me thinks. Long live the dear leader and hero of our socialist paradise!

Was reading the other day about them not showing it live and editing the match highlights from the world cup so if they get leathered it wont look that bad back home.

Going off Kims past hell probably edit himself getting the winner in the final
 

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