English Histree

[oman0115]

Can you please spell History properly in the thread title. It’s doing my OCD no good at all. Many thanks in anticipation.

Done :-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

history education is worse than MOTD for gaining a balanced truth about what has gone down.

I suppose a dignified gap is left between Robin Hood and ww1 to avoid some uncomfortable elements of Irish, Scottish, Australian, Indian, African history! Sort of like the void in rag history between 1958 and 1992.

 

[blue44]

I grew up on the Council end of a Wythenshawe road where the posh kids who included Michael Wood TV historian lived. We played football on the fields together and I still get a kick !!%£ out of watching his fascinating programmes about Saxon and Norman England . Peter Dobing also lived on the posh part and Big Mal lived just off it.

me and my dad ( he has been a serious metal detectorists for 30 years ) have always loved michael wood
it all started with his " in search of " series back in 1979ish ?
in search of Alfred.Aethelstan,etc amazing programmes that established him as a serious tv historian
pity he's a rag though.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I suppose a dignified gap is left between Robin Hood and ww1 to avoid some uncomfortable elements of Irish, Scottish, Australian, Indian, African history! Sort of like the void in rag history between 1958 and 1992.

Not really, but what's the point when a tiny minority want to bring up only the negatives to spew their hatred filled bile about it. Bad enough the ideological falsehoods kids are being subjected to.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

So with the situation being what it is, more spare time less to do etc I've been trying to look more into things, of a historical nature. I am guilty of not knowing an awful lot about us as English so i've been reading up on us and it's actually quite fascinating. We are basically a mix of Danes and German tribe, whose language along with Latin and French forms what we have today. It also explains the rivalry with Celtic countries, as native Britains were forced to Wales Ireland and Scotland when the Anglo saxons settled. Does anyone share an interest in our histroy, and if so do you know any good books / documentaries to source?

Michael Wood - In Search of England: Journeys into the English Past.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

me and my dad ( he has been a serious metal detectorists for 30 years ) have always loved michael wood
it all started with his " in search of " series back in 1979ish ?
in search of Alfred.Aethelstan,etc amazing programmes that established him as a serious tv historian
pity he's a rag though.

A Rag born in Moss Side, primary schools in Rusholme n' Benchill. Never knew Benchill was 'posh'. Couldn't be posher 'n 'Apper'ay!

 

[blue44]

A Rag born in Moss Side, primary schools in Rusholme n' Benchill. Never knew Benchill was 'posh'. Couldn't be posher 'n 'Apper'ay!

I'm on about micheal wood,wythenshawe born !
btw
i work with a guy 65, afro carib,moss side born and bred who is a rag,knows all the local afro carib blues,francis's etc

 

[nellyonthewing]

me and my dad ( he has been a serious metal detectorists for 30 years ) have always loved michael wood
it all started with his " in search of " series back in 1979ish ?
in search of Alfred.Aethelstan,etc amazing programmes that established him as a serious tv historian
pity he's a rag though.

Growing up as a nipper in Baguley I never met a rag till I was 9. happy days

 

[remember arthur mann]

I was born in Birmingham

Respect, but you are Stan Collymore, I have a copy of the Daily Mirror under my arm and claim my £5 !

 

[Deleted member 77198]

So with the situation being what it is, more spare time less to do etc I've been trying to look more into things, of a historical nature. I am guilty of not knowing an awful lot about us as English so i've been reading up on us and it's actually quite fascinating. We are basically a mix of Danes and German tribe, whose language along with Latin and French forms what we have today. It also explains the rivalry with Celtic countries, as native Britains were forced to Wales Ireland and Scotland when the Anglo saxons settled. Does anyone share an interest in our histroy, and if so do you know any good books / documentaries to source?

Yes I’m very interested in the history and, especially, the genealogy of it all.

Geneology/DNA tests that a lot of people are having these days are showing that there’s a lot of Brythonic DNA in what we thought were “English” people.

When you look at our area here in the North West of “England”, we were never really settled by the Angles or Saxons (or Jutes or Frisians):



And looking at the DNA of the modern British population:


It pretty much mirrors the Brythonic/Anglo-Saxon split around 600CE:


In the North West, the Brythonic population didn’t all just up and move to “Wales”, they stayed put and were just engulfed into what became “England” while keeping their/our DNA.

And even in areas with stronger Angle Saxon Jute or Frisian DNA, they show to have a lot of Brythonic DNA as well. The DNA of Britain is ancient, with just varying degrees of admixture from elsewhere much later on.

This is why I consider myself British rather than “English”, and British before “English”.

Also “Scottish” DNA is more closely related to “English” DNA than North and South “Wales” is to each other. South “Scottish” DNA is more closely related to “English” DNA than it is North “Scottish”, which is considered slightly different to the rest of Great Britain’s DNA, but not enough to fall elsewhere on the below graph. Maybe the Sct DNA is explained in its closeness to NL DNA (graph below) where there is a close similarity between the Orkney vole the the vole of the Low Countries (a type of vole found nowhere else but these two areas), maybe showing there was a lot of ancient travel between the Low Counties and Orkney; or possibly showing the Picts being distinct from the rest of Scotland.
And and “Ireland’s” DNA isn’t much different to British and, as a cluster together, is distinct from the neighbouring mainland European DNA:


There’s basically no DNA basis on “England” “Scotland” and “Wales” being their own distinct areas, it’s far more fragmented than three and isn’t different enough between all the fragments to be considered distinct. And Ireland is certainly part of the British Isles with similar DNA going back thousands of years, with some admixture (the Brigantes from Britain also had a kingdom in Ireland, for example).