Erling Haaland

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I don't like the notion that we can easily break the wage structure just we have to, regardless the dressing room feeling about that.

It's just insulting to our player that have been loyal for us for years, they can at some point be tempted to leave the club for the club with better european pedigree and history aka a lot of bullshit compared to us. Yet most of them still stick with us eventhough the club still not getting the biggest trophy of them all, they trust and care for the club because the club is also caring them back and making a fair and justified wage structure to keep everyone happy.

And now the club want to stab them back and spit all the goodwill they have been building for over years for some kid that i admit is huge talent that can take us to the new height but at the cost of our dressing room?

This really a bad, bad idea if the rumor is true. I hope for everyone sake that Haaland or more specifially his father can convince him for not making outrageous demand for his wage.

You play for City as main man in the club as striker but that doesn't mean you are bigger than the club. We still have our pride and not bending ourselves easily to give in any demand from potential player that joining our club.
This is too much drama for me. I wish I had this romanticized view of “trust and care” from the players, but they are all very well paid, more here than they would anywhere, with fat bonuses as well, and with a fortune being offered elsewhere, who knows if they would leave.
Grealish walked in the door yesterday and is already earning wages bigger than anyone but one of our players, KdB. We did this because that’s what it took to secure the player and because this is the new reality. We have to adequate ourselves to the reality of the market constantly, the Grealish case was one of those situations. We constantly renew contracts updating the players’ wages therefore also influencing the larger market. The Ronaldo transfer to United, whether we want or not, will be playing a major role for years to come as having set a standard.
We do not have a single player in our squad being paid to be our topscorer or our poster boy. When you sign someone like Haaland, you are signing someone who will score the most goals for you and win matches for you, as well as eventually win titles and raise your profile. United pays Ronaldo an obscene lot because he is superstar, yes, but also because even at 36, he will still win many matches for them like yesterday. Players love having players that have that power of decision inside a game in the squad to help them out, or bail them out every now and then. The idea that these international players in our squad don’t understand the profile of a player, the way the market works, and will be driven by jealousy, is extremely simplistic. They know it better than us
 
Lavia is a good enough backup to Rodri.

There are some (not me) who consider him a higher talent than Palmer who I think most would agree is already good enough to be a backup, that's just to give you some perspective.

I think he is around Palmer level of talent, which is why it's fine. A backup only plays some games anyways, we are seeing how little Dinho has played this season already, Lavia can do the same.
I have a hard time saying this when he has no first team experience at all. I certainly hope this is correct but a team like ours simply can’t take the risk, and Pep isn’t one to take risks. An Academy player that has no role in one season won’t suddenly be relied on for multiple games the next season. Assume Lavia gets virtually no game time this season, then Fernandinho is gone and Rodri gets injured the first game of the next season, there is no way Pep will rely on Lavia as a replacement. Maybe other managers in clubs of other stature would, but he won’t
 
I have a hard time saying this when he has no first team experience at all. I certainly hope this is correct but a team like ours simply can’t take the risk, and Pep isn’t one to take risks. An Academy player that has no role in one season won’t suddenly be relied on for multiple games the next season. Assume Lavia gets virtually no game time this season, then Fernandinho is gone and Rodri gets injured the first game of the next season, there is no way Pep will rely on Lavia as a replacement. Maybe other managers in clubs of other stature would, but he won’t
I can see that it's difficult to imagine, and I'm not certain the club will rely on it also. They could buy another player.

But to me, if people think Palmer is a good backup, then Lavia is too, he is extremely highly rated at the club.

I also like the idea because Rodri is still so young, we don't need to buy another experienced player to compete with him, instead, a young promising player to keep him on his toes sounds great.

Unlike the older players (Kdb, Gundogan, Mahrez) who know there is clearly an academy player to naturally take over for them in time. There is no competition there, they will be the starter until they get too old.
 
This is too much drama for me. I wish I had this romanticized view of “trust and care” from the players, but they are all very well paid, more here than they would anywhere, with fat bonuses as well, and with a fortune being offered elsewhere, who knows if they would leave.
Grealish walked in the door yesterday and is already earning wages bigger than anyone but one of our players, KdB. We did this because that’s what it took to secure the player and because this is the new reality. We have to adequate ourselves to the reality of the market constantly, the Grealish case was one of those situations. We constantly renew contracts updating the players’ wages therefore also influencing the larger market. The Ronaldo transfer to United, whether we want or not, will be playing a major role for years to come as having set a standard.
We do not have a single player in our squad being paid to be our topscorer or our poster boy. When you sign someone like Haaland, you are signing someone who will score the most goals for you and win matches for you, as well as eventually win titles and raise your profile. United pays Ronaldo an obscene lot because he is superstar, yes, but also because even at 36, he will still win many matches for them like yesterday. Players love having players that have that power of decision inside a game in the squad to help them out, or bail them out every now and then. The idea that these international players in our squad don’t understand the profile of a player, the way the market works, and will be driven by jealousy, is extremely simplistic. They know it better than us

Interesting you put Haaland in the same category as ronaldo that already proven himself many times over and over again. Both in the club and internationally as well his personal achievement which is bigger than Haaland atm.

I already see where this is going, i'm going to say no. It's just madness, just because that market is moving into direction doesn't mean we have too especially for just some kid. If haaland is somekind an established player that already winning many major titles for the club and personal achievement then yes break the wage structure and pay whatever his wage demand for.

As for Grealish, he refusing Aston Villa offer that makes him the highest paid player in the club. Yet he refused that and instead he rather be here and be paid less of what Aston Villa is offer is already put him in good book on me. We paying him marginally better than his wage at Aston Villa at that time, we gotta rememmber that when we sign him he still have duration for his contract. So there's not the club can do except just raise him a little bit better than he already got, if he released as free transfer it will be different story.
 
I can see that it's difficult to imagine, and I'm not certain the club will rely on it also. They could buy another player.

But to me, if people think Palmer is a good backup, then Lavia is too, he is extremely highly rated at the club.

I also like the idea because Rodri is still so young, we don't need to buy another experienced player to compete with him, instead, a young promising player to keep him on his toes sounds great.

Unlike the older players (Kdb, Gundogan, Mahrez) who know there is clearly an academy player to naturally take over for them in time. There is no competition there, they will be the starter until they get too old.
Rodri with inexperienced Lavia as the backup is a problem waiting to happen. Just like I am not comfortable with a player like Fernandinho that you can’t rely twice a week nowadays being a Rodri injury away from that exact scenario. When Pep complains that we should have the B team competing in a lower division like in countries such as Spain, it is a window into his mind showing that he doesn’t believe the Academy experience is anywhere near enough. Take someone like Zakaria who could come in for free next summer and would be perfect to fill this hole
 
Interesting you put Haaland in the same category as ronaldo
I didn’t do that. Ronaldo is a legendary player. I wouldn’t put Mbappe in that category either, but the wage demand for him would work the same way. I compared what Ronaldo is to the squad: the guy expected to score the most goals and win matches for you and be your poster boy. In that sense, comparing Haaland to him is perfectly okay, that is the expectation wherever he goes next. Same for Mbappe. And that was the expectation around Messi when he was a young player as well, when everyone knew he was bound to rule the decade.

A lot of people in this forum like to play the game of moral superiority when it comes to the market. We are not above other clubs in dealings and it shouldn’t be expected that us or any club with our ambitions be. We affect the market with our choices constantly as well. Big news, we have money. You blink and in five years a Newcastle or even a Villa is taking advantage.
 
I didn’t do that. Ronaldo is a legendary player. I wouldn’t put Mbappe in that category either, but the wage demand for him would work the same way. I compared what Ronaldo is to the squad: the guy expected to score the most goals and win matches for you and be your poster boy. In that sense, comparing Haaland to him is perfectly okay, that is the expectation wherever he goes next. Same for Mbappe. And that was the expectation around Messi when he was a young player as well, when everyone knew he was bound to rule the decade.

A lot of people in this forum like to play the game of moral superiority when it comes to the market. We are not above other clubs in dealings and it shouldn’t be expected that us or any club with our ambitions be. We affect the market with our choices constantly as well. Big news, we have money. You blink and in five years a Newcastle or even a Villa is taking advantage.

Sigh, it's not being the club have high sense of moral. We already have owner with sketchy background, so i already accept that fact for me a long ago.

You do this and there's no going back, I can see the club in financial ruin in the future just like Barcelona does. Overpaying players wage to break wage structure in daily basis just to satisfy every single player demand without any regard to his contribution over the years. Huge spending will be spend alot to paying player wages rather than a new signing.

We are not that kind of club, we can easily at some point back then to be like that. But we choose not to, over and over again. Even with our domination in recent years we still lose to the rags in term of revenue, that can easily overpaid their player much easier than us.
 
I can see the club in financial ruin in the future just like Barcelona does.
I’m not sure you understand how Barcelona got to where they are. But I will reassure you, there is no way we will end up like that — not just us, but any major PL club for that matter
 
I’m not sure you understand how Barcelona got to where they are. But I will reassure you, there is no way we will end up like that — not just us, but any major PL club for that matter

Yeah like you already see the future as somekind of oracle, the thing is we don't know. The future is unknown and constantly changing.

Even when i was saying that it can lead financial ruins, i'm not saying as a fact that already guarantee to happen. It's just a possible future, where it will rise to higher possibility if we making a decision just like a previous club have i mentioned.

Let's just agree to disagree then, i will not going to convinced you nor you can convince me on this matter.
 
people are too obsessed with depth. too obsessed with the scary thought of having to play a youth player for 10 games a season.

i'm more afraid of having to see sterling up top for half a season. no thank you. striker first. get the best of the best. we can deal with the other positions later.
 
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