Etihad Atmosphere - 2022/23

[jrb]

You ain’t gonna get thousands relocating to the North Stand. Most are in their existing seats cause they want to be close to the away support and they won’t be giving up a seat on tier one for one up in the gods of the new stand.

The net result of the few that do relocate is that you will end up with yet another pocket of singers in the North stand and remaining pockets in the other areas. Any relocated North Stand singers will be surrounded by tourists and new fans with half and half’s sat down for the entire game filming it on an IPAD. Don’t see how that is gonna make a difference.

I just don’t get the fantasy that 40k plus supporters that haven’t made a noise for years are suddenly gonna burst into voice because of a new stand.

Your username is worrying me mate. ;-)

Amongst other things, ‘I’m not getting 40k supporters haven’t made a noise for years’.

At the start of this season everyone posting in this thread agreed the atmosphere had improved this season compared to last season. For some reason over the last few home games the atmosphere has dropped off again. Maybe Haaland not scoring a hat-trick in those home games is one of the reasons?

If City do this expansion properly and correctly, which means choosing the right expanded stand option, creating a new singing section, and consulting the fans every step of the way, there will be enough fans who will relocate, including fans coming back and new younger fans.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

You ain’t gonna get thousands relocating to the North Stand. Most are in their existing seats cause they want to be close to the away support and they won’t be giving up a seat on tier one for one up in the gods of the new stand.

The net result of the few that do relocate is that you will end up with yet another pocket of singers in the North stand and remaining pockets in the other areas. Any relocated North Stand singers will be surrounded by tourists and new fans with half and half’s sat down for the entire game filming it on an IPAD. Don’t see how that is gonna make a difference.

I just don’t get the fantasy that 40k plus supporters that haven’t made a noise for years are suddenly gonna burst into voice because of a new stand.

I’d move into something worth moving into like a proper end

 

[jrb]

I’d move into something worth moving into like a proper end

I’ll move to a safe standing 2nd tier. 8000-10,000 capacity . Think of a number.

I won’t relocate to NSL1 safe standing. That’s just a replica of the SSL1 safe standing

The noise and the atmosphere has to come from a new and larger NSL2 safe standing.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

If what @trevorriley said about a two tiered north stand expansion comes true, then we will get exactly this. As long as it is marketed and priced correctly, specifically encouraging those in the current SSL1 singing sections and Kippax Corner to move and bring their noise with them to the North Stand. It may also encourage singers from other quieter areas of the ground to move to the North Stand so they are with like minded people, not stuck in an area where they get shouted down for singing and standing.

This is where setting up unions of supporters' clubs would help, the overall group is 1894 with other supporters groups tieing into, this is how the 3252 work and they have been voted best fans in the MLS

 

[trevorriley]

Great post mate. Appreciate everything you are doing and agree it won’t work without buy-in.

On a side note, any chance you can twist a few arms and get the club to stop playing the fast version of Blue Moon?! Not the most pressing priority by any means I know, it’s just a bug bear of mine and a number of others on here!! :)

we try, i agree the slow version of BM is better but it fall on deaf ones.

In replay to a few pointers. Three songs at once kills the atmosphere, happens so often within the two or three blocks in lower SS. Will it ever change ? Doubt it as the noise doesnt spread very well from front to back and fans just like to randomly sing and not listen to what has already started. Also the second one song finishes ( far to quickly ) somebody then shouts out another. It confuses fans. Answer to it is more ultras style, but you then get the fans saying they will walk out and never come back or shove a drum up somebodies arse !

a lot of the problems are "we dont like this, we dont like that, just focus on singing !

we think there arent enough singers, yet when haaland went in to a rage Vs everton, about 4 blocks all chanted "HAALAND".. apart from the odd corner with "city city city" the rest of the time those same fans decided to stay quiet and not sing.

Moving in to north stand ? If fans decide they dont want to move there then not a lot can be done, its down to the fans and we can only try our best. The south stand isnt very good for singing, the north stand expansion will be a lot more suitable. If for example Leeds away there are 3,000 wanting to travel up there then surely its not asking to much for 2,000 singers to move to the north stand rather than make excuses why they cant.

i think at most PL clubs fans would give their right arm to have the opportunity we will have when the north stand is extended, but so far we seem to only hear reasons for not moving. Just support the club and sing, rollocks to being near away fans or the bar.

 

[trevorriley]

This is where setting up unions of supporters' clubs would help, the overall group is 1894 with other supporters groups tieing into, this is how the 3252 work and they have been voted best fans in the MLS

it is far different in MLS, different kettle of fish altogether. We probably have similar already set up. Everything possible to set up supporters groups has been tried.
1894 will have been operating for 10 years in Sept this year, tried everything possible.

 

[M16 citeh]

we try, i agree the slow version of BM is better but it fall on deaf ones.

In replay to a few pointers. Three songs at once kills the atmosphere, happens so often within the two or three blocks in lower SS. Will it ever change ? Doubt it as the noise doesnt spread very well from front to back and fans just like to randomly sing and not listen to what has already started. Also the second one song finishes ( far to quickly ) somebody then shouts out another. It confuses fans. Answer to it is more ultras style, but you then get the fans saying they will walk out and never come back or shove a drum up somebodies arse !

a lot of the problems are "we dont like this, we dont like that, just focus on singing !

we think there arent enough singers, yet when haaland went in to a rage Vs everton, about 4 blocks all chanted "HAALAND".. apart from the odd corner with "city city city" the rest of the time those same fans decided to stay quiet and not sing.

Moving in to north stand ? If fans decide they dont want to move there then not a lot can be done, its down to the fans and we can only try our best. The south stand isnt very good for singing, the north stand expansion will be a lot more suitable. If for example Leeds away there are 3,000 wanting to travel up there then surely its not asking to much for 2,000 singers to move to the north stand rather than make excuses why they cant.

i think at most PL clubs fans would give their right arm to have the opportunity we will have when the north stand is extended, but so far we seem to only hear reasons for not moving. Just support the club and sing, rollocks to being near away fans or the bar.

Agree with most your points and I will consider moving from ssl1 when the time comes but surely another issue regarding atmosphere is having the away fans all the way up to the 3rd tier. Why give them the best position for singing when most stadiums put them in the worst spot,? I'd be all for putting them first tier of the bell end or something but they're expensive tickets so the club would never have it! Also I like being next to them and a lot of others feel that way too! Can you imagine them in the 1st tier east stand running to the corner of the north stand and then us in the whole north stand?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I think different things need to be tried for the singing blocks in the expanded North Stand. How about 1894, the OSC and the Facebook Face Value ticket pages working together to fill these blocks with enthusiastic / vocal Blues.

The fans need to be able to regulate themselves and create obstacles to quiet or too cool to chant Blues going / staying in the new singing blocks.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I think I am technically "a singer" and will happily move to the north stand if I get a discount and a promise tourists won't take pictures or videos of me when I'm making a noise.

 

[Edghill OG]

You could have difficulty re-locating people to the North Stand depending on which direction they get their transport home from the stadium.
It takes me 5 minutes to walk from the Family Stand to the South Stand. The early leavers will have to depart on the 75th minute instead of the 80th if they're going Joe Mercer Way direction. Don't know whether they'll sacrifice that additional 5 minutes on top of what they already miss!

 

[Dogtanian]

I'd happily move to a new singing section if they matched the 329 quid I'm paying now, it's all about affordability

 

[WARBABY]

Talked with a Dortmund fan who was over for the weekend in section 105. He was amazed at the lack of atmosphere in the ground compared to Dortmund. Just saying.!

Well he would say that wouldn't he

 

[WARBABY]

Cant get my head around the expanding long list of excuses on this thread.

The latest additions blame the ref, corporate seats, expensive tickets etc.

Bizarrely one post was blaming the cost of tickets for the Spurs game for the crap atmosphere yesterday !!!! Genius

One post blamed no singing section ??? Can somebody please explain to me what happened to the 1894 singing section in the South Stand which asked people to relocate a few years ago and made no difference to the atmosphere.

The problem is 45000+ sit in silence every week. You could close down every corporate section, make tickets a £1 and have Pier Luigi Collina reffing every week and it won’t get the mute 45000 to make a noise.

That's because 45000+ are not drunk

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Thought we'd pinned all this on Dave and Gary?

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

we try, i agree the slow version of BM is better but it fall on deaf ones.

In replay to a few pointers. Three songs at once kills the atmosphere, happens so often within the two or three blocks in lower SS. Will it ever change ? Doubt it as the noise doesnt spread very well from front to back and fans just like to randomly sing and not listen to what has already started. Also the second one song finishes ( far to quickly ) somebody then shouts out another. It confuses fans. Answer to it is more ultras style, but you then get the fans saying they will walk out and never come back or shove a drum up somebodies arse !

a lot of the problems are "we dont like this, we dont like that, just focus on singing !

we think there arent enough singers, yet when haaland went in to a rage Vs everton, about 4 blocks all chanted "HAALAND".. apart from the odd corner with "city city city" the rest of the time those same fans decided to stay quiet and not sing.

Moving in to north stand ? If fans decide they dont want to move there then not a lot can be done, its down to the fans and we can only try our best. The south stand isnt very good for singing, the north stand expansion will be a lot more suitable. If for example Leeds away there are 3,000 wanting to travel up there then surely its not asking to much for 2,000 singers to move to the north stand rather than make excuses why they cant.

i think at most PL clubs fans would give their right arm to have the opportunity we will have when the north stand is extended, but so far we seem to only hear reasons for not moving. Just support the club and sing, rollocks to being near away fans or the bar.

It’s a shame the idea of scrapping the fast version of BM has fallen on deaf ears. Wonder if it’d make any difference if the club were presented with the results of a poll. Wishful thinking on my part probably.

And fuck knows, maybe loads of people love it. I just haven’t met any yet!

Again, I know it’s incredibly low down the list of priorities so I’ll stop banging on about it now! I want VAR and smart motorways scrapped too and that ain’t happening either :)

 

[LEXSTARproject]

it is far different in MLS, different kettle of fish altogether. We probably have similar already set up. Everything possible to set up supporters groups has been tried.
1894 will have been operating for 10 years in Sept this year, tried everything possible.

In the SPL every club now seems to have an ultra section which is amazing concerning the attendance in the Scottish game

Most of them will have websites etc or Facebook pages.

It matter of contacting them.

There is the Rangers one, Arsenal now have ultra's as well you could hear them last night

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@trevorriley do you have access or contacts within the club

 

[trevorriley]

Agree with most your points and I will consider moving from ssl1 when the time comes but surely another issue regarding atmosphere is having the away fans all the way up to the 3rd tier. Why give them the best position for singing when most stadiums put them in the worst spot,? I'd be all for putting them first tier of the bell end or something but they're expensive tickets so the club would never have it! Also I like being next to them and a lot of others feel that way too! Can you imagine them in the 1st tier east stand running to the corner of the north stand and then us in the whole north stand?

Impossible to move away fans due to police and security, they want the away fans where they are now, so that they can move them out off the coach car park easily, but yet not give a dam if away fans throw coins and bottles on our heads whilst there !
I disagree that away fans get one of the better away ends. They are penned in by two ends singing at them haha. Also spread over three tiers makes it harder for them to sing together unlike most stadiums where away fans are all in one end. Look at the good position we are in at the swamp / emirates / spurs and others.
Also not a chance away fans can move to another part of the stadium because supporters in those existing seats wont move and kick up such a fuss to club that they wont move at all.
I know what you mean, the laugh we have next to away fans is good, but for me if it means we are in a better end, all together and fans buy in to it, we have a chance of making it a real fortress there rather than our up and down atmosphere.

It has to happen this way to be more vocal for our beloved team, please move when the chance comes, we need more fans like you to make it work.

 

[trevorriley]

I think different things need to be tried for the singing blocks in the expanded North Stand. How about 1894, the OSC and the Facebook Face Value ticket pages working together to fill these blocks with enthusiastic / vocal Blues.

The fans need to be able to regulate themselves and create obstacles to quiet or too cool to chant Blues going / staying in the new singing blocks.

this is how we did it 7 years ago, this is how we advertise for all cup game singing sections. It just doesnt seem to get a good response and fans wont move..

we will be doing all this and more when north stand is near ready.

 

[trevorriley]

In the SPL every club now seems to have an ultra section which is amazing concerning the attendance in the Scottish game

Most of them will have websites etc or Facebook pages.

It matter of contacting them.

There is the Rangers one, Arsenal now have ultra's as well you could hear them last night

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@trevorriley do you have access or contacts within the club

we have regular meetings with the club and a great relationship, they help a lot.

we advertise across all possible areas when doing team coach welcomes, special cup ticket sections, you name it we have been doing the lot.

"You can take a horse to water as they say"... We have tried going down the road of ultras, city fans on the whole hate the idea, we get criticized for it. It is easy to look from the outside and say "try this". We at 1894 thought the same 9 years ago, then realised it is how the fans feel and their participation. There is no doubt around 250 fans that would like ultras, but they are over shadowed by 25,000 that dont.

 

[trevorriley]

I'd happily move to a new singing section if they matched the 329 quid I'm paying now, it's all about affordability

This is a big issue for us trying to round fans up, there is always a "but"

im not trying to come down on this idea by saying pay £700 a season instead, but just highlighting the problemsssssss we have.

we have asked the club to mirror the season tickets with SS3. But it is a can of worms.