Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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All @Silva61 would be great if some lump from Leeds gets home from work and sees his kid rabbiting on about what a great day it was, with a bag of gear. Wants to go with his mate to see a game and all the entertainment that goes with it. Down at the entetainment complex. He sits there fuming as she takes the kid and pals off to the match and day out. x 1000s. Job done!!
 
HelloCity said:
The only thing I’ve seen written on here from those who know, is that the expansion will be a 3 tiered stand. Almost nothing about 2 tiers since the development was given the green light again.

It did seem like 2 tiers was definitely the plan at some point since the survey in 2018 had a 2 tier visual and fans were shown a 2 tiered design at fan view events as well.

Perhaps feedback about people not wanting to move forced them to reconsider?
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It seems that way, although I'd question if anyone is actually in the know. All seems very confidential still and people have broad ideas but a lot seems to come from other contacts who haven't seen the full proposals. The survey definitely proposed an extended second tier but based on general comments on here, few seem to want to move so the club may have abandoned that plan, or construction timings/logistics have meant it isn't feasible. It would be brilliant if they did proceed with a two tier proposal though.
 
The club where/are adamant they want to improve the atmosphere at the Etihad by creating a proper home end.

Replicating the South Stand, 3 tiers at the North Stand, isn't going to do that. All that will do is add an additional 6000 seats to a 3rd tier.

If that's the case there won't be any cheaper season tickets or match tickets either, which supporters of a proper home end want.

And the Family Stand will probably remain on level 1, as it won't be moved to level 2, and certainly won't be moved to the new level 3.
 
jrb said:
The club where/are adamant they want to improve the atmosphere at the Etihad by creating a proper home end.

Replicating the South Stand, 3 tiers at the North Stand, isn't going to do that. All that will do is add an additional 6000 seats to a 3rd tier.

If that's the case there won't be any cheaper season tickets or match tickets either, which supporters of a proper home end want.

And the Family Stand will probably remain on level 1, as it won't be moved to level 2, and certainly won't be moved to the new level 3.
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Don't agree at all. there are many ways to improve the atmosphere, most of which would involve a major bit of relocations, and a little thought, whether thats over 3 tiers or 2 I think has little to do with it.
We have had some great atmospheres at the Etihad with it configured as it is now.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't agree at all. there are many ways to improve the atmosphere, most of which would involve a major bit of relocations, and a little thought, whether thats over 3 tiers or 2 I think has little to do with it.
We have had some great atmospheres at the Etihad with it configured as it is now.
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Perhaps I’m being a bit negative atm? I’m trying to be positive. :-) But the expectation of a 3 tiered North Stand, not officially confirmed yet, but the rumour has grown, is very disappointing in my opinion.

I honestly can‘t see a 3 tiered expanded North Stand being any different to the South stand atmosphere wise, bar looking the same(?) and making the ground more symmetrical looking. It will add little or nothing to improving the atmosphere at the Etihad.

I’m still clinging on to the hope that we will get a 2 tiered North Stand with a much larger 2nd tier capable of holding up to 10,000 fans.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't agree at all. there are many ways to improve the atmosphere, most of which would involve a major bit of relocations, and a little thought, whether thats over 3 tiers or 2 I think has little to do with it.
We have had some great atmospheres at the Etihad with it configured as it is now.
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We have had some great atmosphere's but the average game still suffers from the fact our singers are separated and unable to hear each other. Getting a load together under one roof where it carried and got others involved would undoubtedly improve things. But I struggle to see people moving again to yet another proposed singing section.
 
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This would be the perfect set up, the North Stand becoming the new home end with a safe standing at all along tier 1 and with the tier 2 being expanded with no coporate boxes. Real Madrid and Bayern Munich have done this so why not City.

You could easily relocate the 1894 into the tier 1 of the new North Stand, the club could easily sort this out as well by asking the fans or setting up a union of supporters clubs who want to be in tier 1 of the stand. Tier 2 of the expanded North Stand could be full of fans who want to be in home end but not in the 1894 section and have the cheapest tickets in the ground. The family stand section could be relocated to another part of the ground, this is the part that on the television also looks empty so the empty jokes start.

Most people know that home end works , look at Spurs-South Stand,Liverpool-The Kop,Dortmund-Yellow Wall,Gallowgate End-Newcastle.

Look what is written about Spurs new South Stand

"The Kop and the Yellow Wall are as famous for their history as they are for what they look like, but the same can’t be said of the South Stand at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. It only opened in 2019, but it immediately made its way on to our list on account of the fact that it is the largest single-tier stand in English football. Boasting a 34 degree angle, it has room for 17,500 Spurs fans to take their seat and watch their team.

Given the entire stadium cost £1 billion to build, it’s only right that the home of the most vociferous Tottenham supporters has something special about it. The ground itself was designed like concert hall, meaning that acoustics were well-considered in order to offer a strong atmosphere. The stands are located close to the pitch in order to increase their ability to create a ‘wall of sound’, with design allowing it to reverberate around the stadium.

The ground’s bowl design means that it doesn’t necessary appear as if there are distinct stands at first glance. The South Stand is definitely stand out, however, with the home supporters taking up all the seats after accessing it from the south atrium. Its design has been influenced by that of the Yellow Wall at the Westfalenstadion, with the aim being to make it into the ‘heartbeat’ of the stadium that can create a great match day atmosphere.

The reality is that the story of Tottenham’s South Stand is yet to be written. Stands earn their place in the record books when they witness success, which is why both the Kop and the Yellow Wall are so well-loved. For Spurs fans to truly claim that the South Stand deserves to be spoken of alongside other famous stand in football they’ll need to roar the club on to league or cup success in a meaningful manner at some point in the future."

As club on social media we get attacked about our staduim so why dont we prove these people and fans from other clubs wrong and create a legend of new North Stand , we have had the Kippax before we can have it again!!!!!!

@jrb is right when he says mirroring the current South Stand will not work, does it work at Arsenal !!!! where they had a oppertunity to replace the North Bank and just build a bowl staduim that is not close to the pitch.

Spurs done it right and did there homework , City need to do the same

To help create a better atmophere at the ground we need to think outside the box and have a home end we need to use the PA system to help create an atmophere.As a club we need to look at what works elsewhere and copy that but in Manchster City way, we have these huge advertising boards why cant we use them to help , they do it in the NFL with slogans ect we have to look what happening in Europe as well. Look at the World Cup the team that won it was massively helped by there support , most of there games where like homes games because of the amount of support.
 
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supercity88 said:
We have had some great atmosphere's but the average game still suffers from the fact our singers are separated and unable to hear each other. Getting a load together under one roof where it carried and got others involved would undoubtedly improve things. But I struggle to see people moving again to yet another proposed singing section.
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I agree with that, and it will need people to relocate. My argument is that is the case whether it's a 3 tier or a 2 tier. If it's thought out and people are receptive to moving, a better atmosphere can be created with both.
Isn't the biggest issue, where away fans go that the police will agree to, and where the family stand goes.
 
blueparrot said:
I agree with that, and it will need people to relocate. My argument is that is the case whether it's a 3 tier or a 2 tier. If it's thought out and people are receptive to moving, a better atmosphere can be created with both.
Isn't the biggest issue, where away fans go that the police will agree to, and where the family stand goes.
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The away fans can’t be moved. The away coach park is there. And a % of away fans have to be pitch side. PL rules to improve the atmosphere at grounds.

I would relocate to a large 2nd tier. I won’t relocate to level 1. And that’s if the club are prepared to relocate the Family stand?
 
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jrb said:
The away fans can’t be moved. The away coach park is there. And a % of away fans have to be pitch side. PL rules to improve the atmosphere at grounds.

I would relocate to a large 2nd tier. I won’t relocate to level 1. And that’s if the club is prepared to relocate the Family stand?
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No away fans are near the pitch at Newcastle?
 
jrb said:
The club where/are adamant they want to improve the atmosphere at the Etihad by creating a proper home end.

Replicating the South Stand, 3 tiers at the North Stand, isn't going to do that. All that will do is add an additional 6000 seats to a 3rd tier.

If that's the case there won't be any cheaper season tickets or match tickets either, which supporters of a proper home end want.

And the Family Stand will probably remain on level 1, as it won't be moved to level 2, and certainly won't be moved to the new level 3.
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If they replicate the SSL3 most of the season tickets are between 430 and 350 (bar the first few rows) some of the cheapest in the league.

I get the want and desire for a home end but you'd basically have to turf *everyone* out of their current seats in the North Stand to achieve it.

whats more likely is more of the Colin Bell and East Stand is given up to corporates and people who sit there are offered priority to move to the NSL3 at first then any seats vacated by people wanting to move to cheaper seats in NSL3
 
jrb said:
The away fans can’t be moved. The away coach park is there. And a % of away fans have to be pitch side. PL rules to improve the atmosphere at grounds.

I would relocate to a large 2nd tier. I won’t relocate to level 1. And that’s if the club is prepared to relocate the Family stand?
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Could the away fans be put around he corner into the end of the East stand ? I realise it would be a problem with the East stand level 2 Premium seat blocks.
If the North stand became a home end though then the away fans would be at the opposite end either way. Not that I think it matters too much not having the home end next to the away fans, though I know some fans like to be next to the away fans.
 
blueparrot said:
I agree with that, and it will need people to relocate. My argument is that is the case whether it's a 3 tier or a 2 tier. If it's thought out and people are receptive to moving, a better atmosphere can be created with both.
Isn't the biggest issue, where away fans go that the police will agree to, and where the family stand goes.
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The roof means that the noise doesn't spread as well. Case in point was the Chelsea league cup game. SSL1 thought they made a racket and Chelsea didn't sing. Elsewhere in the ground they could only hear Chelsea's one song. The roof blocks noise from between the levels and it's all disjointed. Having an extended second tier means a hell of a lot of people under one roof which is always the best for acoustics. I just think the time has gone for that, they can't and wont shift people now. It will cause an uproar. People want an improved atmosphere but wont move for it. The away fans just can't move now. They have to have some pitchside seats and there isn't the same ability to segregate in the East Stand where they should have been located in the first place. I think we're stuck with what we've got.

I'd say a hell of a lot more people would be upset by a two tier stand and relocation than by a third tier that mirrors the south stand and attracts new fans so I'd imagine that's what we'll get - but I'll be in the minority that is pretty disappointed about that.
 
Del_Bosque said:
If they replicate the SSL3 most of the season tickets are between 430 and 350 (bar the first few rows) some of the cheapest in the league.

I get the want and desire for a home end but you'd basically have to turf *everyone* out of their current seats in the North Stand to achieve it.

whats more likely is more of the Colin Bell and East Stand is given up to corporates and people who sit there are offered priority to move to the NSL3 at first then any seats vacated by people wanting to move to cheaper seats in NSL3
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Del_Bosque said:
If they replicate the SSL3 most of the season tickets are between 430 and 350 (bar the first few rows) some of the cheapest in the league.

I get the want and desire for a home end but you'd basically have to turf *everyone* out of their current seats in the North Stand to achieve it.

whats more likely is more of the Colin Bell and East Stand is given up to corporates and people who sit there are offered priority to move to the NSL3 at first then any seats vacated by people wanting to move to cheaper seats in NSL3
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You’ve hit the nail on the head. This thread keeps going round in circles with some thinking a big second tier makes a huge difference to a slightly smaller third tier.

Any new stand - be it a third tier or bigger second tier will be mainly populated by new fans and 2 tier E&W relocators due to corporate going into their current seats.

The idea that thousands of ‘singers’ are gonna relocate away from seats they’ve been in since the day the stadium opened, to an inferior seat in a second tier or 3rd tier seat is complete fantasy.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
All @Silva61 would be great if some lump from Leeds gets home from work and sees his kid rabbiting on about what a great day it was, with a bag of gear. Wants to go with his mate to see a game and all the entertainment that goes with it. Down at the entetainment complex. He sits there fuming as she takes the kid and pals off to the match and day out. x 1000s. Job done!!
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Glad to hear your sold on the idea, just wish more on here had a few ideas, forget about the current proposals that's done and dusted.
 
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