EU referendum deal (title edited)

[blueinsa]

That's true and Cameron has made it clear that our Government won't accept closer political integration.

The decision comes down to whether the benefits of membership outweigh the disadvantages and IMHO they probably do!

Cameron has been given a tiny sweetheart deal as forecast last week as they all suddenly realise that their party might be up. Make no mistake, a vote to stay in will see them about turn on and carry on along the road to a European super state with us having zero say in it.

He has been given a tiny moral victory in the hope it fools us into voting to stay in.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Cameron has been given a tiny sweetheart deal as forecast last week as they all suddenly realise that their party might be up. Make no mistake, a vote to stay in will see them about turn on and carry on along the road to a European super state with us having zero say in it.

He has been given a tiny moral victory in the hope it fools us into voting to stay in.

It will get very interesting if the European Parliament vote against the deal.

Yes Cameron didn't get all that he wanted and in some ways it would have been counter productive if he had. We don't want Poles who have come here to work to feel like second or third class citizens (not to be confused with season car holders). We have enough problems with divided communities already.

This deal was supposed to address the piss takers re. Benefits and to some extent it does that!

That said, we have home grown people who abuse the benefits system as well.

 

[blueinsa]

It will get very interesting if the European Parliament vote against the deal.

Yes Cameron didn't get all that he wanted and in some ways it would have been counter productive if he had. We don't want Poles who have come here to work to feel like second or third class citizens (not to be confused with season car holders). We have enough problems with divided communities already.

This deal was supposed to address the piss takers re. Benefits and to some extent it does that!

That said, we have home grown people who abuse the benefits system as well.

£50M a day in membership fees and you fall for the rhetoric of it all being the fault of a few benefit claimants.

They are laughing their bollocks off at us all.

 

[bluesoup]

This is going to be very entertaining. Roll on the unusual alliances that will baffle the electorate!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

£50M a day in membership fees and you fall for the rhetoric of it all being the fault of a few benefit claimants.

They are laughing their bollocks off at us all.

The benefits issue is largely for an internal Conservative party debate. It will be important to some voters though!

I won't go over all the benefits of Membership that I and others have listed by 70 years of peace in Europe is a decent start.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

This is going to be very entertaining. Roll on the unusual alliances that will baffle the electorate!

I'm just baffled by the multiple threads - no hope for me.

 

[waspish]

Does anyone know how much Poland pay a day to the European Union?

 

[CityStu]

We never signed up to the Shengen agreement and that why we have passport controls on our borders. Being in the EU allows us to have an agreement with France where we station our border staff across the channel - thus strengthening our borders.

Protecting our borders is also linked to domestic Government policy. The reality is that we have slashed our border control resources!

That deal with France is completely separate from the EU. There's no reason why it could not continue if we voted out.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That deal with France is completely separate from the EU. There's no reason why it could not continue if we voted out.

Or the French might say aurevoir!

Do you think the French will choose to keep the jungle that's ten times a bigger dump than the Alexandra Park estate ever was!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Or the French might say aurevoir!

Do you think the French will choose to keep the jungle that's ten times a bigger dump than the Alexandra Park estate ever was!

Not sure why you are using this argument. It was debunked weeks ago as utter nonsense.
The french cannot choose to export their camp of illegal immigrants across the channel whether or not we are in the EU. Those same illegal immigrants are currently refusing to move into purpose built accommodation as they don't want to break up their "community". The French have failed to deal with it and they will fail to deal with it in the future but as these people are in France, if they try to illegally enter the UK we can simply deport them back to France.

France know this which is why they are happy for us to pay for the policing of their border rather than have to deal with a constant flow of returning illegal immigrants.