EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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So we run a deficit, and though you did not bother to cover the ratio of that deficit it runs at approx two pounds spent for every one earned, you keep up the pretense of comparing it as a % of the whole EU budget when comparing it to the UK when the truth is the real picture of per member state.
So if we are not buying from them they lose trade at the rate of 2-1 in monetary value, the pain will not be spread over the whole of the EU unlike the loss of our nine billion pounds membership fee, Germany will be one of the big losers as well as the biggest cash cow left in, the French will be big losers both in terms of trade and lose of that large part of the British nine billion that subsidies their inefficient agricultural industry at a time they are all but bankrupt, Italy the same.

Nor do you ever own up that the total EU trade is with less than 10% of British companies, while 90% quite happily cater to home or world markets under the hamper of the mountains of red tape membership of the EU imposed on members.

Who needs who dear boy ?
 
Helmet Cole said:
I love the assumption that the day after a brexit all imports and exports would cease.
I'd better stock up on aldi cycling gear and parts for my Peugeot before we leave the EU?
Will the EU make us flood the channel tunnel or just brick it up their end?
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No it's better than that. There is a big button they press and gravity stops applying to the uk.....
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Sorry that response was for mr chips and his black and white approach to the debate.

your point is a fair one but the same crap happens with meps.
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I have to laugh. You say (to me), "you really are stupid" and you can't even direct it at the right poster. That's quite funny actually.
 
blueonblue said:
So we run a deficit, and though you did not bother to cover the ratio of that deficit it runs at approx two pounds spent for every one earned, you keep up the pretense of comparing it as a % of the whole EU budget when comparing it to the UK when the truth is the real picture of per member state.
So if we are not buying from them they lose trade at the rate of 2-1 in monetary value, the pain will not be spread over the whole of the EU unlike the loss of our nine billion pounds membership fee, Germany will be one of the big losers as well as the biggest cash cow left in, the French will be big losers both in terms of trade and lose of that large part of the British nine billion that subsidies their inefficient agricultural industry at a time they are all but bankrupt, Italy the same.

Nor do you ever own up that the total EU trade is with less than 10% of British companies, while 90% quite happily cater to home or world markets under the hamper of the mountains of red tape membership of the EU imposed on members.

Who needs who dear boy ?
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So you're saying that a few countries have big trade surpluses with us (great, we established that about 200 pages ago). So what will the other 22 or so have to gain from this lovely little agreement that's going to be like falling off a log, oh wise one?

I really wish you'd stick to arguing that we don't need a trade deal. That argument, you could potentially win. The idea that we can negotiate a no-strings trade deal with 27 other countries in anything less than 5 years and probably 10, is beyond silly. I am not going to debate this with anyone anymore. It's pointless. If you don't get it now, you never will and I am happy to give up.
 
The thing that is totally ignored by Brexitera is just how many companies in the rest of the EU are planning now and ready to try and replace the British goods that become too expensive with tariffs.

Meanwhile the British public is looking forward to replacing champagne with sparkling Colombian, Mercedes with Great Wall and French and German energy with power cuts. It is the opportunity cost that really matters . Europe has 20+ countries to fill the gap within the group
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The thing that is totally ignored by Brexitera is just how many companies in the rest of the EU are planning now and ready to try and replace the British goods that become too expensive with tariffs.

Meanwhile the British public is looking forward to replacing champagne with sparkling Colombian, Mercedes with Great Wall and French and German energy with power cuts. It is the opportunity cost that really matters . Europe has 20+ countries to fill the gap within the group
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I now suspect this account is run by a bot of some kind.
 
Most people in the EU I think want a peaceful and cooperative Europe but don't want a Federal state.

Would people agree with that statement? And if so why isn't the EU doing what it's people want?
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The thing that is totally ignored by Brexitera is just how many companies in the rest of the EU are planning now and ready to try and replace the British goods that become too expensive with tariffs.

Meanwhile the British public is looking forward to replacing champagne with sparkling Colombian, Mercedes with Great Wall and French and German energy with power cuts. It is the opportunity cost that really matters . Europe has 20+ countries to fill the gap within the group
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You've just made all that up. None of it is true. Are you ill?
 
Chippy_boy said:
So you're saying that a few countries have big trade surpluses with us (great, we established that about 200 pages ago). So what will the other 22 or so have to gain from this lovely little agreement that's going to be like falling off a log, oh wise one?
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1) It was you who talked about the hit being spread over 27 countries, the same using them in a total to get to "Only 16% of EU exports.

2) What the "Other 22 or so" do is not OUR problem but the ones taking the hit who will be desperate, we do not need a trade deal.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The thing that is totally ignored by Brexitera is just how many companies in the rest of the EU are planning now and ready to try and replace the British goods that become too expensive with tariffs.

An you think our companies are not doing the same ?, with the added bonus that goods on the world market are cheaper than within the EU.

Meanwhile the British public is looking forward to replacing champagne with sparkling Colombian, Mercedes with Great Wall and French and German energy with power cuts. It is the opportunity cost that really matters . Europe has 20+ countries to fill the gap within the group
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There are numerous wine producing countries in the world, A Jaguar or Range rover with a tariff price advantage over the German motors sounds good to me, the power cut nonsense is just that, but it may well be the kick up the arse this country needs to build up its own generating industry.

The last point is almost laughable, those 20+ countries are on the tit of the big ones, far from filling the gap they will drag down the others at a time their income is reduced both by fallen trade with their biggest single customer and the loss of the nine billion or so membership fee.

While the talk from the remainians has been that the pound will fall on exit there is no mention of the effect on the already unstable Euro, those replaced British goods will cost them more while our exports will be more attractive on the world market, true we will pay more for imports as will they, but the 2-1 trade deficit will even that one out.
 
TonyM said:
Most people in the EU I think want a peaceful and cooperative Europe but don't want a Federal state.

Would people agree with that statement? And if so why isn't the EU doing what it's people want?
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It because there isn't a mechanism whereby the people of Europe can vote for legislators based on the policies they say they would implement if elected.
 
Chancy Termites said:
It because there isn't a mechanism whereby the people of Europe can vote for legislators based on the policies they say they would implement if elected.
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The most powerful people in Europe are the Government appointed unelected European Commisioners. They are the people who act on behalf of individual Governments and direct the EUParliament, they are totally unaccountable to the people of Europe.

Many people do not know the name of the British EU commissioner, he is Lord Hill of Oareford a senior Tory Party member. He is the person who does your bidding in Europe and works strictly under the control of David Cameron.

It really is quite unbelievable, the amount of power and non-accountability these people have. EÜrope a democracy! You're having a laugh!
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The thing that is totally ignored by Brexitera is just how many companies in the rest of the EU are planning now and ready to try and replace the British goods that become too expensive with tariffs.

Meanwhile the British public is looking forward to replacing champagne with sparkling Colombian, Mercedes with Great Wall and French and German energy with power cuts. It is the opportunity cost that really matters . Europe has 20+ countries to fill the gap within the group
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No we are not as it will carry on as it did before.

The rest of the Eu well Germany and France in particular are actually frantically doing their calculations of how they going to fill the massive hole in the Eu finances if we vote to leave the Eu. I expect they are more worried calculating how much they are going to have to increase taxes in France and Germany if we leave the Eu. I am afraid that is what really scares the Eu block because that is going to be the most immediate concern and consequence of us leaving, not what is the Chinese , Russian, or USA equivalent of a tractor. By the way the Eu does not have a trading agreement with those countries so given your arguments to date they would have to rule out buying anything from those countries as well.
 
I've honestly no idea how to vote on this, i don't like being lied to and i know both sides are lying to me. Pisses me off
 
CTID1988 said:
I've honestly no idea how to vote on this, i don't like being lied to and i know both sides are lying to me. Pisses me off
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At least an out vote will remove a whole layer of liars, we can hopefully then deal with the rest of the lying bas*ards using rope and the nearest lamp post, or vote the f*ckers out if your a bit squeamish.
 
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