Europe doesn't realise what they are about to face?

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There might be a few people surprised next season when City roll up and give them a footballing lesson...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article7092413.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 092413.ece</a><br /><br />-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:54 pm --<br /><br />A blip or a seismic shift in the tectonics of European football? That was the question doing the rounds yesterday after English clubs’ failure in the Champions League this season, with Uli Hoeness, the Bayern Munich president, declaring that the elite of the Barclays Premier League are paying the price for their previous financial excesses.

Carlo Ancelotti, the Chelsea manager, preferred to ascribe the absence of an English semi-finalist for the first time since 2003 to a “blip”, but even if the expectation across Europe will be for Premier League clubs to strike back powerfully next season, Hoeness undoubtedly touched a raw nerve when he cited the economic factors that restricted the spending power of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United last summer.

Hoeness has grown accustomed to seeing Bayern, along with their Italian, Spanish and French counterparts, outmuscled in the transfer market by the Premier League clubs in recent years, but not any more.

Last summer, with Chelsea intent on self-sufficiency and Arsenal, Liverpool and United compromised by their debts, the biggest spenders in Europe were Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan and Bayern Munich and, closer to home, Manchester City, bankrolled by Sheikh Mansour.

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Michel Platini, the Uefa president, plans to introduce “financial fair play” regulations to bring about a more level playing field over the next three years, but economic factors have already had an obvious effect.

The reasons for the sense of prudence among England’s “Big Four” go beyond the parochial — with the weakening of the pound against the euro and the more favourable tax rates for footballers in Spain and elsewhere, meaning that competing for salaries alone has become a struggle for English clubs.

“I think English teams will now find it more difficult more often to succeed in the Champions League because the financial crisis will lead to a situation where English football will not play the same role as before,” Hoeness said after Bayern had ended English interest in Europe’s elite competition on Wednesday by beating United on away goals after a 4-4 draw on aggregate.

“The pound is down 25 per cent and the taxes in England are going up, so that means the English clubs and their owners do not have the same money as before.

“If you ask me do the English clubs deserve this, then I say yes. With the new rules that are to come in over the next three years, the big loser will be English football. If you build all of your success on debt, I think it is not OK. In Germany, you simply do not get a licence to operate if you lose too much money in your own league. I am not talking specifically about Manchester United, but many of the English clubs have built themselves up on debt and that, for me, is not correct.”

It is an appraisal that will meet with a stern riposte from some of the clubs concerned and perhaps from Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive, who has always felt that criticism of English clubs’ financial arrangements shows wilful ignorance of the problems that exist elsewhere.

What is certain, though, is that English clubs’ strong showing in the Champions League in recent years — only three winners since the European Cup was revamped in 1992 but, impressively, three semi-finalists in each of the past three seasons — was founded on wealth, or, at the very least, the illusion of wealth.

If the financial gulf is bridged, as seemed to be the case last summer when players such as Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaká, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema moved to Real, Zlatan Ibrahimovic transferred to Barcelona, Lúcio and Wesley Sneijder joined Inter and Arjen Robben switched to Bayern, it is no great surprise that widespread English superiority on the pitch should have been challenged.

It should not come down to a discussion of financial arrangements — the tactical strength of Inter, the brilliance of Barcelona, the spirit of Bayern and the all-round crassness of Arsenal’s and United’s defending and passing over their quarter-final ties merit more than a passing mention — but the strength of the Premier League clubs in recent years has been founded on such money.

It stands to reason, therefore, that financial issues have been a significant factor in this season’s disappointments and that a reappraisal may be needed if those clubs are to ensure this is nothing more than one rather large blip.
 
Load of bollocks.

The French, Germans and others in Europe's none footballing elite have always been jealous of our league. The fact that we have no teams in the Champions League Semi's is not down to the fact that English clubs are in debt.

The premier league debt is no more severe than that of Serie A or La Liga. It is just football. Premier league teams cant win every game every season. Besides, we will be competing in next seasons chumps league, so its a certainty that an English club will reach the final... surely.
 
What a hypocrite, Bayern are only good because they buy all the top talent from the other German clubs.

Oh and they only got to the quarters because of the worst refereeing I've seen this year against Fiorentina.
 
From the Independent...

As long as English clubs can see off Uefa's threat to regulate them they will be able to acquire some of the best players in Europe and maintain their position among the best in the Champions League. Should Manchester City claim fourth place this season, they will prove an even greater threat to the rest of Europe than the relatively impoverished Liverpool or Arsenal.

The potential challenge for City – and the other English sides – will not be to reach semi-finals or finals, as has been the trend in recent years, but actually to win the competition consistently. Only then can we start talking about a dominance of European football by the English.
 
sam the drummer said:
Shafter said:
In 2 years time when Stoke roll into europe.......thats when it won't know whats hit it ;-)
LOL. In all fairness i'd love to see Stoke V Barca to see how they'd cope with the Delap throw!
Now that mate, would be quality entertainment!!!

I reckon that if it did ever happen that stoke played barca and we kept it tight, we would nick it 1-0.
 
And it goes to show yet again that everything can be bought in football. And when the big money and big player all head off to Spain..etc a large chunk of these modern day brats will head off into the sun. Because, in large, there's feck all loyalty to these clubs, fine there are a few, there are a few, I mean you've got characters built like Shay Given, Barry..etc who have stayed with clubs for years, I mean a player with Given's ability stayed with Newcastle for 12 years..you're short those types of players these days. Now we've players like Robinho and co who will hop on the plane for the highest buyer.

Football has very little loyalty when it comes to players, especially foreign players, everything depends on the money. And these big stars that we spend so much money on are so disconnected to the fans.
We will see the true hold football has if this does come to pass. If English football doesn't struggle money wise and such. We will see the true loyalty and true meaning of it.

Money buys success but it does not buy passion and loyalty which means ultimately we run the risk of loosing a lot of key players up and down the country if a European team comes knocking.

And while everyone's been so busy turning football into this large circus, this massive business we've forgotten what the whole things about and the game itself and that could well be our undoing.
 
The reason that there are no English teams on the CL semis us that this is the worst PL in terms of quality, for years. Barca are head and shoulders above any English side.
 
Shafter said:
sam the drummer said:
LOL. In all fairness i'd love to see Stoke V Barca to see how they'd cope with the Delap throw!
Now that mate, would be quality entertainment!!!

I reckon that if it did ever happen that stoke played barca and we kept it tight, we would nick it 1-0.

Put the oat cake down and step away from the keyboard.
 
While money may have something to do with it I reckon it is more down to the four clubs concerned.

Chelsea were undone by Mourinho. They played a bad game. I feel at full strength they are the one club in England who can give Barca a game.

United are not the club they were. Rooney has papered over the cracks left by the departure of Ronaldo and Tevez. Without him United are ordinary.

Liverpool. Bad buys by Benitez have finally come home to roost.

Arsenal frankly trip up every time they come up against class oppostion. There record against the other teams at the top of the Premier is poor. Lack of experience/mental strength/firepower.

That said the future does not look bright for any of these. Chelsea are ageing. United and Liverpool appear to have financial problems.

Arsenal could challenge in Europe with the addition of one or two players.
 
Shafter said:
sam the drummer said:
LOL. In all fairness i'd love to see Stoke V Barca to see how they'd cope with the Delap throw!
Now that mate, would be quality entertainment!!!

I reckon that if it did ever happen that stoke played barca and we kept it tight, we would nick it 1-0.
LOL, Me duck!!
 
If Europe thinks they are over the English invasion though I reckon its a false sense of security.

Not only City but a renewed Arsenal might give them a bloody nose.

I certainly think City replacing Liverpool strengthens the English presence immeasurably.
 
You could flip it and argue the reason why there are no English teams in the semi's is because of the competiveness of the Premier League this year. Almost every game for the Premeir League clubs in the Champions league there has been the potential for a slip up and managers pick they're teams accordingly. Injuries and suspensions all add up and it makes it a longer harder season for the Premier League teams.
 
dannybcity said:
You could flip it and argue the reason why there are no English teams in the semi's is because of the competiveness of the Premier League this year. Almost every game for the Premeir League clubs in the Champions league there has been the potential for a slip up and managers pick they're teams accordingly. Injuries and suspensions all add up and it makes it a longer harder season for the Premier League teams.

This is what I think the real cause is - no longer can the called top 4 teams rotate because they are playing Birmingham, Spurs, Villa, Us or Fulham. That fool called Rafa has tried it and he may find himself having to win the Europa cup to have European football next season.
 

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