Everton - Post match thread.

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Koeman has a cheek, he was the first putting his hands up calling for Walker to be sent-off.

Then he attempts in the post-match to claim it wasn't a sending off and we got Schneiderlin off.

Aguero and Jesus aren't enough.

If anything, Sergio isn't good enough.

He will keep costing us.

Seen nothing out there which suggests Pep has changed much from last season.

He hets paid plenty to rectify mistakes and everyone in the ground could see Sane was being hung out to dry.

Positives - Bernardo, Sterling and Danilo.
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Neither Kun nor Jesus are in any sort of goal scoring form. You can see it in Aguero's reluctance to shoot, having said that his link up play is much improved. His pass for Silva's miss was superb.

Sane was stuck as the wing back because Mendy was injured and Danilo struggled in attack on Saturday.

Bernardo, Sterling and Danilo should start on Saturday
 
So, have we all calmed down?

First home game out of the way now. We can pick the bones out of the performance and we always seem to be highly negative about our players. Sane has had a right pounding, but in reality Everton did a job on him. They got their tactics right, and we were slow to adapt. Absolutely no Sane's fault. Yes he made some errors, but it was small margins, and he will learn. He is not the finished article, and we have to allow him to grow into his new role instead of smashing his confidence every time he has a tough game.

Second half was great to see Pep get a grip of things and get us playing more fluid attacking football. Let's hope we see him earn his corn this season, as I think we are going to have to play more of an adaptive game (see how the opposition set up, then swap things round to exploit their weaknesses). Everton certainly gave us some problems last night, as will a lot of the teams that come to the Etihad. We certainly have enough impact players to come off the bench if needed.

Regarding the Walker sending off; we'll have to see if the FA put their money where their mouth is, and take retrospective action against Calvert-Lewin, because that was blatant cheating (although wtf was Michael Oliver playing at?). Same for Otamendi; I like Otta, but ffs I wish he stop with the play acting. As for Walkers first booking; it was a cheap one, and I believe if that was the other way round, it's a different outcome (no card). No change there then.
 
No need for 3-5-2 in most game back to 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3 please and start moving the ball quicker happy with the reaction of management and players second half hopefully we can take that into the game at Bournemouth.
 
simon23 said:
walker never ever even raised his arm.....no elbow at all

sneiderlin catches aguero with the follow through...out of control and dangrrous play...exactly what walker got his first (deserved) yellow for
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You have to be the most biased supporter I have seen. Most city fans could admit that shneiderlin second challenge was not a yellow. He got all ball; the contact with the follow leg was incidental. Read the rule book.
 
Ridiculous notion that Sane can't play as a wingback, because he made a couple of mistakes defensively or didn't have a spectacular game going forward.

If a couple of mistakes means you are not able to play the position, then we have no strikers, central defenders or goalkeepers at the club & our mids aren't good enough because of their final ball. They all make at least two mistakes every single game.

I guarantee, that every single fault Sane showed, will be replicated on occasion by Mendy, or Danillo. Maybe even in the very next game.

This should absolutely not cause a goal against, nor an inability to score at the other end.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
But the nagging thought - WTF didn't those subs start? I think Pep's dilemma is that he doesn't have too much of an idea who his best starting eleven would include.
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Tricky one though. With our talent bank, we've arguably progressed beyond "best starting eleven" stage to "best fifteen, or whatever". Various permutations ought to work equally well. In any given game, there will be a few top class players waiting on the bench. Just look at the pre-match threads to see the variety of starting elevens us Bluemooners would put out!

As I said elsewhere, though, I'm hoping our ability to make telling late changes could be a clincher. You wouldn't like to be a knackered defender watching the likes of Sterling, Sane, Jesus, Gundogan, Bernardo or Danilo getting ready for action.
 
i'll take 30% possession with deadly counter attack, consistency and solid rock at the back.
i've missed Bobby.
Kun have improve his all round gameplay, but pay the price with his goal scoring stats.
i'd rather take the old Kun, save his energy to make dangerous run, and always have an eye for goals.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Ridiculous notion that Sane can't play as a wingback, because he made a couple of mistakes defensively or didn't have a spectacular game going forward.

If a couple of mistakes means you are not able to play the position, then we have no strikers, central defenders or goalkeepers at the club & our mids aren't good enough because of their final ball. They all make at least two mistakes every single game.

I guarantee, that every single fault Sane showed, will be replicated on occasion by Mendy, or Danillo. Maybe even in the very next game.

This should absolutely not cause a goal against, nor an inability to score at the other end.
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It might or might not work. At this stage, I'd put it down simply to him being right off form.
 
Pep again at fault for us not getting 3 points.

Everton had no real fight or ambition and other than the ball in behind did not look capable of doing anything.

Sane is not a fucking wing back. A wing back clears the ball and does not keep it in. He was obviously struggling and Pep did nothing to fix it. Danilo was on the bench and should have started. We would not have conceded if Sane had have been played in a position that suits him.

1 down and their usual gamesmanship comes into it. Never a sending off but why... why...do we only start playing with urgency, pace and dare I say it, passion, when we are losing or a player down?

Everton were so deep otamendi and kompany could walk right up to the penalty box and shoot. It was 3pts on a plate.

Jesus Aguero Silva and De Bruyne does not work. They occupy each others space and the final ball is poor because they do not know where the other is running to. One goes in behind one time or drops deep the next.

We were better with De Bruyne deep and Silva as a no10 because they didnt clash. We were better with Aguero on his own because Sterling found better pockets of space.

I do not like how Pep has made our players look to pass when theyre in good areas of the pitch. Pickfords clearance that ended up at de bruynes feet he should be shooting not playing a cute pass to walker. Aguero had some good link up play but his selfishness is why he scores so many. The team are not scoring more with him playing the hold the ball up role so he either comes out of the team or we play another formation. Jesus is better at the link play but Aguero scores more.

Positive problems because we have so much strength in depth but need to sort things quickly. De Bruyne or Silva with Bernardo is how I would play it. Bernardo looks class. And get Sane on as part of a front three not a wing back!
 
We don't know how to play against a deep line. Which will mean we won't win the league as there's only 2 or 3 teams that won't sit deep against us.
 
Did anyone know the positions and formation towards the end. Happy with the point in the end but first half was very pedestrian
 
Can't see us ever winning the league under Guardiola to be honest.
We will drop too many points.
To him possession is clearly more important than creating clear cut chances. He really hasn't yet got it yet how good and well drilled defences are in the Premier League. The reality is that if you take an extra touch in this league the chance is gone - no matter who you play.
Also, when the opposition is disorganised you need to go for it and take the chance of losing possession.
And don't get me started on his tinkering against anyone half decent. Yesterday it was Sane tomorrow it will be somthing else.
Will he ever learn? On last night's evidence no.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't mean to sound overly negative and realise I have posted a lot of negative posts. I am of course proud to be a blue and the future is enormously bright. I made a comment a week or two back about the fact that I am not even that bothered about us winning things immediately, I am just enjoying watch us play great football with exciting young talented players.

*However*, with regards to your post, we "battered" nearly every team we played last season too. Think about it. Which games do you recall where we were not clearly the better side? I don't remember many, if any. We were dominant in nearly every game we played, and yet we finished 15 points behind Chelsea.

This season, we've improved at the back enormously, so that should and will help (shame it didn't help last night, but moving on...). But in other respects, what we saw last night was a picture of last season encapsulated in one game.

Bent officials / shockingly bad refereeing? Check
Dominate possession? Check
Create loads of chances? Check
Woeful in front of goal? Check
Done by opposition with one chance, which they actually convert? Check

We've seen it all before. And unless / until something changes, we will see it all over again. We must stop doing the same things, playing the same way, over and over again and hoping it will produce a different outcome: it won't. We have to do different things. I don't know what, because I am not a football manager in any shape or form, but I do know that if we keep making the same mistakes, we can expect the same result by the end of the season. Let's hope Pep realises this and acts accordingly.
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Was more the fact that we battered them whilst being a man short that has given me hope
 
supercity88 said:
Pep again at fault for us not getting 3 points.

Everton had no real fight or ambition and other than the ball in behind did not look capable of doing anything.

Sane is not a fucking wing back. A wing back clears the ball and does not keep it in. He was obviously struggling and Pep did nothing to fix it. Danilo was on the bench and should have started. We would not have conceded if Sane had have been played in a position that suits him.

1 down and their usual gamesmanship comes into it. Never a sending off but why... why...do we only start playing with urgency, pace and dare I say it, passion, when we are losing or a player down?

Everton were so deep otamendi and kompany could walk right up to the penalty box and shoot. It was 3pts on a plate.

Jesus Aguero Silva and De Bruyne does not work. They occupy each others space and the final ball is poor because they do not know where the other is running to. One goes in behind one time or drops deep the next.

We were better with De Bruyne deep and Silva as a no10 because they didnt clash. We were better with Aguero on his own because Sterling found better pockets of space.

I do not like how Pep has made our players look to pass when theyre in good areas of the pitch. Pickfords clearance that ended up at de bruynes feet he should be shooting not playing a cute pass to walker. Aguero had some good link up play but his selfishness is why he scores so many. The team are not scoring more with him playing the hold the ball up role so he either comes out of the team or we play another formation. Jesus is better at the link play but Aguero scores more.

Positive problems because we have so much strength in depth but need to sort things quickly. De Bruyne or Silva with Bernardo is how I would play it. Bernardo looks class. And get Sane on as part of a front three not a wing back!
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We should not be conceding a goal, just because a wingback loses the ball.

It will happen on many occasions, whoever plays there.

We can't defend properly, with a two or a three & becase of that, we are unable to win tight games.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Can't see us ever winning the league under Guardiola to be honest.
We will drop too many points.
To him possession is clearly more important than creating clear cut chances. He really hasn't yet got it yet how good and well drilled defences are in the Premier League. The reality is that if you take an extra touch in this league the chance is gone - no matter who you play.
Also, when the opposition is disorganised you need to go for it and take the chance of losing possession.
And don't get me started on his tinkering against anyone half decent. Yesterday it was Sane tomorrow it will be somthing else.
Will he ever learn? On last night's evidence no.
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you can't have watched any football the past two games then. defending in general has been terrible in the league, teams are making loss of defensive mistakes. everton were very much the exception last night. hes not going to change his style either.
 
We need to play a back 4 and get another forward player on. We need another left back though, can't rely on Mendy for a whole season and Sane can't do it.
 
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