Evidence for religion

vmsuhail said:
That's not the perspective that the Prophets taught. They persevered with patience and glorified God despite the calamities that befell them.
[Q 21:83] And [mention] Job, when he called to his Lord, “Indeed, adversity has touched me, and you are the Most Merciful of the merciful.”

Everything will be accounted on Judgement Day.
[Q 99 6-8] That Day, the people will depart separated [into categories] to be shown [the result of] their deeds. So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it, And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it.




He is part of everything in a subtle way. As Prophet Joseph(as) says when the vision he had as a child became reality.

[Q 12:100] And he raised his parents upon the throne, and they bowed to him in prostration. And he said, "O my father, this is the explanation of my vision of before. My Lord has made it reality. And He was certainly good to me when He took me out of prison and brought you [here] from bedouin life after Satan had induced [estrangement] between me and my brothers. Indeed, my Lord is Subtle in what He wills. Indeed, it is He who is the Knowing, the Wise.
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One guy says it in a book = truth.

I can't, I just can't, i'll get banned.
 
I think there's a possibility of a higher power; can't see how anyone can dismiss that out of hand, but the notion of an afterlife is fanciful to say the least, and the Bible is utterly full of shit and adds absolutely nothing to the material debate in any way.

Anyone who quotes that fraudulent book as evidence has lost the argument.
 
malg said:
Is it all still bollocks or has someone posted a bit of evidence for the Big Man upstairs?
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All still bollocks mate, but some seem to think that the bollocks they're talking is special in some way.
 
vmsuhail said:
It's not evil if it is something that helps the person in the Eternal Hereafter. If God intervened in every instance, there would be no 'free will'. And God cannot be blamed for the free-willed actions of people.
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Holy fuck. Yes, I realize the use of 'holy' could somehow diminish my point, but holy fuck.

Whatever you're on, it's too strong and you need to lower the dose.
 
inbetween said:
I don't think it has flipped, no-one is attacking, persecuting or killing anyone here. It is only religion that has historically felt it needs to use violence and oppression to defend itself.

Either way I don't have a problem with people who practice it in any shape or form. I only question the idea of it and that it should be kept open to debate where people can peacefully agree or disagree.

However, if I said this in some places I would be labelled a sinner and/or oppressed and certainly if I said it in some countries then I would be executed. If I said any of this just a couple of hundred years ago in my own country then I would again be executed.

This is where religion came from and does this dark side really have a place in a society that is allowed to live without religion and express its opinion? History says no so for me the sooner it is banned or dies a death the better.
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"However, if I said this in some places I would be labelled a sinner and/or oppressed and certainly if I said it in some countries then I would be executed. If I said any of this just a couple of hundred years ago in my own country then I would again be executed." Yes, some have used and understood religion this - yet in some ways it could be suggested that science was actually more permissible than some branches of religion? Anyhow, am not a hindu but there is an idea they have of 'sat chit ananda ' which might roughly be translated as 'being, awareness, joy.' - or one might say aware that joy is the nature of being. Perhaps this is not so much an intellectual understanding and can so be received as a threat by both religious/scientific intellectualism. Anyhow, in moments opening to joy in this sense feels like more of a way of peace than of violence,oppression, heavy morality etc. But each to their own - if that's not another's cup of tea then fair enough.
 
bluejon said:
My guess is it's beyond the comprehension of human beings to fully understand the existence we live in. We simply don't have the capacity, context or perspective to grasp 'everything'.
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Yep -though this might might bring a question of whether Life itself is essentially intelligent? If it is, then perhaps the need to fully understand it can fall away and, instead, it becomes choice of how open or closed to it one chooses to be. If it isn't...? Edit : ps might the phrase 'a peace that passeth understanding' actually be in agreement with you premise? ie there is something beyond what we can comprehend? But perhaps not beyond our potential for awareness?
 
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