Excellent Gundogan article in New York Times

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Great article.

Hope Gundogan is now injury free for a long, long time.

He can be our best midfielder. A joy to watch.
 
Yes I agree with everyone. This is a very good article. Just hope now that Ilkay can stay clear of any injuries for the foreseeable future.
 
Wow, what a brilliant and emotive piece that was. Trying to put myself in his position, & having had 7 knee operations myself, I truly felt for him. The difference was is my career didn't depend on the success of the ops like his did.

Great to have him back, & what his consultant told him about Xavi must have been a great comfort & given him strength.
I agree, this was a great, immersive article. I have also had several knee operations and, unfortunately, a ACL/meniscus injury did end my competitive career (it was at uni level, never likely to go beyond semi-professional even without the injury, mind) so I can relate on some level to his experience. Still, I was lucky enough to have to devoted quite a lot to my studies (partly because I knew I was never going to be a good enough footballer to really make a decent living from it) so was able to go on another path.

What is often ignored is that there are swathes of young lads (and, increasingly, young girls) in nearly every country on earth who devote the formative years of their lives almost entirely to football and then, due to the lacklustre academics of the programs or academies they were in, are unable to find a good career later when their glorious footballing dreams end, either due to severe injury or lack of the required level of talent/ability. It is a sad and more common outcome than those of Gundogan, Stones, Kompany, and Jesus (his country being an especially prime example of it).

I count myself lucky to have had the path and support I did. I have mates that were not so fortunate. It has driven me to volunteer with Football Youth Mentorship programs to help mitigate those outcomes whenever possible. It is important that footballers know there are other avenues to success and fulfilment.

All of that said, it is great to have Ilkay back and to have such a level-headed, mature influence on the team. Our younger players would do well to adopt his drive and grit.
 
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But the New York Times has published it first. I wonder if they commissioned it or he proposed the idea. Either way it's excellent and a cut above the dross we mostly see in the UK media.

He's employed by the New York Times, so not surprising that they published it. I get the point though that a British newspaper may not have published such a piece.
 
I am recovering from minor knee surgery myself and have been for a few months although middle aged and not particularly sporty , I'm finding the enforced inactivity frigging boring hence the amount of time here.
It must be awful for a professional sportsman.
 
I agree, this was a great, immersive article. I have also had several knee operations and, unfortunately, a ACL/meniscus injury did end my competitive career (it was at uni level, never likely to go beyond semi-professional even without the injury, mind) so I can relate on some level to his experience. Still, I was lucky enough to have to devoted quite a lot to my studies (partly because I knew I was never going to be a good enough footballer to really make a decent living from it) so was able to go on another path.

What is often ignored is that there are swathes of young lads (and, increasingly, young girls) in nearly every country on earth who devote the formative years of their lives almost entirely to football and then, due to the lacklustre academics of the programs or academies they were in, are unable to find a good career later when their glorious footballing dreams end, either due to severe injury or lack of the required level of talent/ability. It is a sad and more common outcome than those of Gundogan, Stones, Kompany, and Jesus (his country being an especially prime example of it).

I count myself lucky to have had the path and support I did. I have mates that were not so fortunate. It has driven me to volunteer with Football Youth Mentorship programs to help mitigate those outcomes whenever possible. It is important that footballers know there are other avenues to success and fulfilment.

All of that said, it is great to have Ilkay back and to have such a level-headed, mature influence on the team. Our younger players would do well to adopt his drive and grit.
I feel your pain mate. My first knee injury was during pre-season 1988 & the only option available was the NHS. My left knee had whatever tendon that goes across it ruptured, & I was told by MRI that they'd 'guarantee' my operation within 4 YEARS as part of the NHS Patient Charter! That was the end of me as a burgeoning semi-pro. I ended up having 4 operations on my left knee over the years and a further 3 after badly damaging my right knee after a brief return to playing in August 2001.

Like you I was never going to 'make it' in the game, but I loved playing it at whatever level & I had it cruelly ripped away from me. Like yourself, I know others who suffered similar fates with knee participation ending injuries & it's hard to take at any level. Thankfully today's professionals have the very best expertise & care that money can buy.

I remember going private in 1993 in a bid to resolve my knee problem as I was walking with a limp & my knee kept collapsing after the first 2 ops. When I arrived at BUPA, my heart sank when it turned out my Consultant was the very same Dr Hirst I was under at the MRI! Here's me thinking I was going to see some hotshot Doctor & it was the same butcher I'd been under for 5 years!! Lol

He was as surprised to see me as I was him, and I was even more dismayed to find out the only difference between the NHS & going private was the length of time it took to be seen and operated on. Essentially by going private, you jumped the queue. He tried to compensate my disappointment by telling me he'd operated on several ManUre players, with the difference being I presume he fixed them, because he certainly didn't fix me!

Hopefully Gundogan's problems are behind him now and he'll quickly get back to, & surpass his previous level. If his 'consultant can sprinkle of bit of Xavi magic on him too, that would be a great bonus! :-)
 
Great to see a positive article for a change but...

"...he raised a plaintive arm..."?
 
I feel your pain mate. My first knee injury was during pre-season 1988 & the only option available was the NHS. My left knee had whatever tendon that goes across it ruptured, & I was told by MRI that they'd 'guarantee' my operation within 4 YEARS as part of the NHS Patient Charter! That was the end of me as a burgeoning semi-pro. I ended up having 4 operations on my left knee over the years and a further 3 after badly damaging my right knee after a brief return to playing in August 2001.

Like you I was never going to 'make it' in the game, but I loved playing it at whatever level & I had it cruelly ripped away from me. Like yourself, I know others who suffered similar fates with knee participation ending injuries & it's hard to take at any level. Thankfully today's professionals have the very best expertise & care that money can buy.

I remember going private in 1993 in a bid to resolve my knee problem as I was walking with a limp & my knee kept collapsing after the first 2 ops. When I arrived at BUPA, my heart sank when it turned out my Consultant was the very same Dr Hirst I was under at the MRI! Here's me thinking I was going to see some hotshot Doctor & it was the same butcher I'd been under for 5 years!! Lol

He was as surprised to see me as I was him, and I was even more dismayed to find out the only difference between the NHS & going private was the length of time it took to be seen and operated on. Essentially by going private, you jumped the queue. He tried to compensate my disappointment by telling me he'd operated on several ManUre players, with the difference being I presume he fixed them, because he certainly didn't fix me!

Hopefully Gundogan's problems are behind him now and he'll quickly get back to, & surpass his previous level. If his 'consultant can sprinkle of bit of Xavi magic on him too, that would be a great bonus! :-)
If it makes anything better, I had very good, private doctors in England (though, had a very similar experience to yours, oddly enough), Spain, and the US (we flew to see a specialist as my knee did not heal correctly after the initial injury), with many, many MRIs, assessments, and physio/rehab stints...

And my knee still hurts whenever I play; I'm only 33 now, as well. I've never reached anything near the level I was previous to the injury and have taken up a completely different position when playing in pub/community leagues to help cover my knee issues (I went from DM to FW, believe it or not). I have been told by my current specialist (I injured my MCL in that same new a little over a year ago), who works on the New England Patriots and New England Revolution players (as well as many other famous athletes), that some bodies just do not react well to the surgeries and/or do not recover as they should, no matter the level of care provided. Which I know to be true from other experiences, as my mother and uncle were/are medical practitioners (very good ones at that) and some patients' prognosises and recoveries just did not go according to plan, even with some fairly straightforward ailments and conditions.

I do hope Ilkay is past the worst of it—he deserves to be a direct part any of our success and can contribute skills/abilities not especially prevelant in our current squad.
 
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