Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[johnmc]

So I don't believe this and looked it up.

It's massively out of context. It's not a 3 mile radius of his house but a 3 mile radius of a mosque in Moss Side. This story is months old.

That 3 mile radius is essentially the whole of Manchester which contains over a million people in it. 16 people in that is not a lot. There's probably 500 nonces in the same radius for example.

And they haven't travelled and come back, they're dead or are overseas.

Is that true? I would have thought the whole of Manchester would be more than a 3 mile radius. I mean you couldn't get further than didsbury from moss side in 3 miles one way. Also I thought the population of Manchester City is not much more than 500k.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Is that true? I would have thought the whole of Manchester would be more than a 3 mile radius. I mean you could get further than didsbury from moss side in 3 miles one way. Also I thought the population of Manchester City is not much more than 500k.

You're thinking Greater Manchester probably.

Manchester is long not round too

 

[TheRisingoftheNorth]

So I don't believe this and looked it up.

It's massively out of context. It's not a 3 mile radius of his house but a 3 mile radius of a mosque in Moss Side. This story is months old.

That 3 mile radius is essentially the whole of Manchester which contains over a million people in it. 16 people in that is not a lot. There's probably 500 nonces in the same radius for example.

And they haven't travelled and come back, they're dead or are overseas.

Where did you you look it up? In a different place to where he looked it up, presumably. Anyone can find so-called facts in their website of choice. Does it really make a difference where the centre of the three mile radius is, or how old the story is?

 

[johnmc]

You're thinking Greater Manchester probably.

Manchester is long not round too

Greater Manchester is about 2.5m.

 

[avoidconfusion]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40019135

Mohammed Saeed El-Saeiti, the imam at the Didsbury Mosque, remembers Abedi as an dangerous extremist, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reports.

"Salman showed me the face of hate after my speech on Isis [an acronym for the Islamic State group]," said the imam. "He used to show me the face of hate and I could tell this person does not like me. It's not a surprise to me."

And this is the fundamental issue here. It does not seem to be a surprise to a lot of people AFTER the fact... why is it possible that this guys was still walking around and allowed to do this?

 

[mancityvstoke]

2.5 miles what?

 

[SWP's back]

Is that true? I would have thought the whole of Manchester would be more than a 3 mile radius. I mean you couldn't get further than didsbury from moss side in 3 miles one way. Also I thought the population of Manchester City is not much more than 500k.

A three mile radius from fallowfield takes you up to the edge of the city Centre in the north, reddish to the west and Wythenshaw in the south east (so most of south Manchester). So you're quite right.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

2.5 miles what?

i think he means 2.5 million people.

 

[west didsblue]

So I don't believe this and looked it up.

It's massively out of context. It's not a 3 mile radius of his house but a 3 mile radius of a mosque in Moss Side. This story is months old.

That 3 mile radius is essentially the whole of Manchester which contains over a million people in it. 16 people in that is not a lot. There's probably 500 nonces in the same radius for example.

And they haven't travelled and come back, they're dead or are overseas.

As the mosque in Moss Side is probably less than a mile from his house in Fallowfield it would cover more or less the same area. A 3 mile radius covers about 28 square miles which would be about a third of Manchester and some of Trafford and Stockport and would contain less than 500k people.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I guess it's a scale thing. Resources are tight, police numbers have been slashed, prisons are over crowded. Today - with hindsight can the security forces round up every known suspect with links to ISIS - I suspect not - it would take months. Politicians spout but there has to be a change in approach - just targeting the Muslim community won't help - (internment in NI caused more issues and swelled the ranks of the IRA) we need to take the 98 per cent of good muslims with us and together root out the evil element but it's going to need a more comprehensive, well financed and joined up approach. People like Donald Trump - with his heavy handed rhetoric just makes the matter worse. This is not a war, the military can't win this, a stronger more inclusive society is the answer.

I agree with both sides of the argument on this one. You are right but I do agree that it is not good enough and if the resources are not there then we need to find more money to pay for additional resources. Nobody with links to IS who has travelled and returned from Syria should be moving around this country unchecked. This Austerity bullshit has gone too far.